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I used to be a huge fan of the Sightron S1 line of scopes because they were IMO the best exception to the general rule of optics that you get what you pay for. They were made in Japan and were the only scopes in the $100 price range that I would consider owning. In fact, I own several of them and use them on range toys and fun guns. My hunting rifles all have Leupolds, but if I had to take one of my old S1's afield I expect it would do just fine in the rain and the brush.

Fast forward to earlier this year when I bought a rimfire S1 and discovered to my huge disappointment that it was made in the Philippines. I didn't go looking for the country of origin, but I knew something was wrong the minute I looked through it. It turns out that Sightron is now doing all the S1 scopes there and not in Japan any longer. I have owned several Philippine-made Nikons and a Burris and none of them have equaled the mechanical or optical quality of a Sightron produced in Japan. To be perfectly honest I can't tell how Philippine scopes are any better than most of the cheap Chinese junk being sold at K Mart. Or maybe I'm just biased toward Japan, but my impression after looking through a bunch of scopes over the last 15 years is that I want my scopes made either in Japan, Europe or USA.

So here's my question: which scope lines are still being made in Japan?
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Wow...here's a thread that went nowhere.
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There are too many scopes made in Japan to go over all of them, I think.   
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I was thinking that the Sightron SII and SIII lines were still L.O.W. in Japan. Perhaps not??? 
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Of course, the Weaver K and V lines are made in Japan....I'm not sure about all the rest of the Weavers...

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Kaspa weaver line is made in Korea

M223 line for Nikon made in Phillipines.

for the cost of these scopes, they are outstanding values. Sightrons cost more

most shooting stuff is made somewhere other than the US, I wish it was all US, but the reality of it is

most gun powder comes from Sweden, France, Australia, only ball powder plant in the US

Escort firearms are made in Turkey as well as Howa I believe.

sports shooting is something everyone should be able to enjoy, not if the product works, that's great.

some just want to get the kids out, and not spend a lot on machines, others wanted the best that's out there   God-what a great country!

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The Weaver 2.5X7 classic rimfire is made in Japan, or at least the one I bought last week was.
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Originally posted by Elkins45 Elkins45 wrote:

The Weaver 2.5X7 classic rimfire is made in Japan, or at least the one I bought last week was.

Good scope. I have one and love it. And yes, mine says "Made in Japan" too. 
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Manufacture of most low end scopes moved out of Japan a while back, with Weaver K and V scopes being among the few holdouts.

For the most part, I have not seen any real quality difference due to that except for some early samples. Most of the rest of perceived quality difference is likely due to user bias and sample variation.

Most of the Phillipine factories that make optics are Japanese owned with Japanese engineers on-site.

That having been said, as the complexity goes up, Phillipine factories still struggle a bit, but even that is changing.

If you insist on Japanese made scopes, get ready to pay up a bit (aside from an aforementioned Weavers).

With Sightron, S2 Big Sky and S3 are made in Japan.

With Bushnell, most of the Elite scopes.

Just about every other Japan-made scope is even more expensive, aside from fixes power SS scopes.

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The Nikon Monarchs are made in the Phillipines, the rest are made

in China.  How about Leupold, where are they made.

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Originally posted by NDhunter NDhunter wrote:

The Nikon Monarchs are made in the Phillipines, the rest are made

in China.  How about Leupold, where are they made.


At the moment all Nikon scopes are made in the Philipines (I do not think they make Monarch Gold or Monarch X any more which were made in Japan).

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Leupolds are made in Beaverton, Oregon...and I believe the Redfields are also made there at Leupold's facility.   



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Originally posted by Son of Ed Son of Ed wrote:

Leupolds are made in Beaverton, Oregon...and I believe the Redfields are also made there at Leupold's facility.   




Assembled, would be more accurate. Glass comes from China, Korea or Japan depending on the product.

Same for the smaller mechanicals.

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Originally posted by Elkins45 Elkins45 wrote:

. I didn't go looking for the country of origin, but I knew something was wrong the minute I looked through it.


Specifically, what do you find to be inferior to your older Sightron SI scopes?

It's my understanding that Sightron manufactures the SII line in the Philippines as well, but I've never seen a complaint on that product line.
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Manufacture of most low end scopes moved out of Japan a while back, with Weaver K and V scopes being among the few holdouts.

For the most part, I have not seen any real quality difference due to that except for some early samples. Most of the rest of perceived quality difference is likely due to user bias and sample variation.

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Just about every other Japan-made scope is even more expensive, aside from fixes power SS scopes.

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I don't think I have any inherent bias against the Philippines, so I must have been a victim of an unusual amount of bad sampling variation. Both of my Nikon ProStaff scopes had mechanical flaws and the three Sightrons all have inferior optics as compared to the Japanese made versions I bought just a few years earlier. Both of the Nikon's were probably from the same lot and were both early production, and maybe the Sightrons were from the early production switchover as well.

What's an SS scope? 
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Originally posted by RSnatch RSnatch wrote:

Originally posted by Elkins45 Elkins45 wrote:

. I didn't go looking for the country of origin, but I knew something was wrong the minute I looked through it.


Specifically, what do you find to be inferior to your older Sightron SI scopes?

Optical quality. Resolution and contrast both seem noticeably lower. Mechanically I can't tell any difference.
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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

Was that one new?

Yes it is.
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Koshkin or anyone else............... What optics company in Japan makes the Vixen line of rifle scopes?  I seem to hit a dead-end on every internet search I try.

Thanks, in advance, for any information you can provide.
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Originally posted by patekatek patekatek wrote:

Koshkin or anyone else............... What optics company in Japan makes the Vixen line of rifle scopes?  I seem to hit a dead-end on every internet search I try.

Thanks, in advance, for any information you can provide.

Not sure.  I have not seen a Vixen rifle scope in a long time.

Why do you care?

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There is one for sale for under $200.   4-16x44. 
I care because I've read that "Made In Japan" doesn't necessarily equate to high quality.  Since there are several Japanese providers I'm hoping that LOW is, or might be, the maker of the Vixen.
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Originally posted by patekatek patekatek wrote:

There is one for sale for under $200.   4-16x44. 
I care because I've read that "Made In Japan" doesn't necessarily equate to high quality.  Since there are several Japanese providers I'm hoping that LOW is, or might be, the maker of the Vixen.

Any and every OEM manufacturer makes products to a price point.  Being made by LOW does not guarantee anything since they make a wide range of products.

ILya
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