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I would like to cast a vote of experienced opinions on a scope for a .257 weatherby magnum. Price does not matter since there is little price difference.The choices are the following. Leupold vx3 3.5-10x50, pentax lightseeker2  4-16x44, zeiss conquest 3-9x50 or nikon monarch 3.5-10x50
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I sold my Nikon 3.5-10x50 on a rifle recently though I liked it alot. The Leupold never looked quite right to my eyes( shot on a friends rifle). No experience w/ the Pentax. Put a conquest 3-9x40 on a Rem 760 carbine and love it. Scoped a buck in SC at 55 minutes after sunset a few weeks ago though I decided not to shoot. Some ambient light, good sight picture, strong reticle- just passed. Scope was excellent. Good luck.
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Zeiss Conquest.

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Now that I've had and used my conquest 4.5x14x44 for a couple of months even shooting two hogs when it was too dark to see without a scope.  I can't help but to believe that for some reason my vxII 3x9x50 was clearer and brighter.  I would love to try the vxIII especially if it is better than a vxII.

 

Now I don't understand this because most people own here says the conquest is considerable clearer and brighter than Leupold but I just can't see that.  I think I'm going to send the conquest to Zeiss now that Deer season is over and let them see if there is anthing wrong with it.  It also seems like if my eye is not very close to center that I will see black spots on top and on bottom, but the vxII was not so sensitive to eye position.  I also had a full view on any power.  I did try to email zeiss but never got a return email.

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Zeiss is probably the best glass of the bunch, but Pentax Lightseeker2 is quite good also.  Is there a particular reason you want to go with a 50mm objective bell?  There is really very little difference (if any) between 40mm and 50mm objective bells in the field.

Have you considered other comparable scopes like Burris Signature Selec 3-12x44, 3-10x40 or 4-16x44?  These are quite good, in your price range and available with Ballistic Plex or MilDot reticles.

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Power-strings knows what he's talking about.  Go with the Leupold.  I've got a 3.5-10X40 on my 223 WSSM and love it.  I'd also recommend the 40 instead of the 50mm objective.  It fits on low rings and is plenty bright.
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mwyates doesn't know what he's talking about unfortunately.  The Zeiss Conquest is superior to the Leup every time.  The Pentax is too (I have both of them).  I would take Koshkin's advice on this matter.  Leupold would  be my last choice here.
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I might not know what I'm talking about, but I did spenf 2 full days with identical rifles, one with a Conquest 3.5-10X44 and the other with a VX III 3.5-10X40.  Here's what I found:

 

Image quality - equal

Build quality - Leupold wins; just take the caps off and turn a few clicks; you'll see the difference.

Eye relief - Leupold wins, unless you really like fixed.  I'd rather have more eye relief.

Customer service - everybody agrees that Leupold is the best

Price - Leupold wins by over $100

Overpriced German name - Zeiss wins

 

 

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My thoughts are as follows.

        If I were considering the three that you mention, I would opt for the one with the smallest objective bell, as that would assure me, that while I am aiming with it I would be getting the best cheek to stock weld possible.   So that I could return to that same position time and time again without uncomfortable head contortions.  The reason being is that I would want accurate and consisitent shot placement without sacrificing shooting comfort, which will make a difference on those occasional long shots in the field.

        My preference is also for an American manufacturer even if they are using imported glass.

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I bought my Conquest's (2)  3.5x10x44 for $410/ea.  I've never seen the Leupold you rave about for $310 anywhere.  I did the same comparison you did with my hunting buddies from Louisiana.  Everyone agreed my scope was superior optically, and time will tell if it's as "tough" as your Leupold.  Zeiss wrote the book on optics many, many, many years before Leupold was ever even and idea.  You are just what Leupold likes in a consumer....blinded by their marketing genius with mediocre, overpriced products.   
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Grubbs, I certainly would not call Leupold products mediocre. 

They are, typically, well made pieces.  I do agree that they are overpriced.

Leupold is incredibly successful in their marketing endeavours, and they do stand behind their product 100%.  They are not top of the heap optically though.

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how about a bushnell elite 4200 2.5-10X40??? right under $400, and its brigher (i know this is going to cause some people to holler, but Roy will agree with me) than the others, and has rainguard coatings.

 

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Let's throw in the Bushnell 4200 it is also in this price range.  This scope's quality is probably better but at least as good as most of White Cloud's selection.  And I do believe that if White Cloud is not happy with this scope within the first year of it's purchase, Bushnell will refund your money.  Like White Cloud I am also it the market for a scope in this price range and the Bushnell 4200 is tough to beat.            
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I;ve heard many times that 40's and 44's are just as bright as 50mm, if this is the case then what is the purpose of 50mm scopes. Are these ideas true are only biase comments of 40 and 44 mm scope owners. No offense to anyone but i just dont want to spend extra money on a bulkier scope with no advantage over the more low profile 40's and 44's.
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I had the same question and from what I understand the little bit of light gained from a larger objective adds weight, bulk, and can sometimes mean the need for higher rings(since you said such things are an issue for you).  Many say that better quality glass in a 40 or 44mm can end up giving better performance than a lesser quality scope with a 50mm objective.  Also, I would strongly consider a Zeiss Conquest 3.5-10x44 while you are looking(the other scopes you listed seemed to be similar in magnification and obj. size). Like Grubbs said, you can find one for around $410 if you look hard, and if it is at a gunshop or online store SWFA has the 110% guarantee so you could get it even cheaper! I Good luck!

 

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Guess I'll change my name to LeupyPimp; they must have a ring through my nose

There's a few people here who make a lot of sense, like those that recommend spending your money on binoculars instead of scopes.  Truth is, most of us spend way too much money on scopes for hunting.  A scope does not need to be incredibly sharp or bright to shoot a deer with it.  I counted last night, and I have 17 scopes (4 are Leupold).  The oldest, and cheapest, is a Redfield 2 3/4X on my Marlin 30-30.  I bought this scope used 30 years ago.  It still works perfectly and holds zero through lots of banging around.  I've used it for the majority of deer I've taken, and the biggest.  What more do you need?

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mwyates....guess what?.....I agree with you this time.  Koshkin, I agree with your response also.  Leupold is a marketing genius. 

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    This response is addressed to the person who does not think that image quality in a rifle scope is of major consequence.     Image quality in a rifle scope is of major consequence because being able to differentiate between a bare branch and the buck's rack while he walks casually through the fading twilight and into the forest can mean the difference between legally taking a trophy or legal deer, and missing the opportunity that might never present itself again.  

          If all you are looking for is a sighting system, then Tasco (read as Crapco) is the scope for you.  If, however, you want to not only see what you are aiming at clearly and also know for sure that where you are aiming is a safe shot then stop trying to save a nickel while losing dimes on a cheap scope. 

             Yes, it can be expensive, but if you are going to hunt the whole proposition is expensive.  It is far cheaper to give it all up and go to the store and buy your hamburg  and steaks there.

           

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I agree with chasseur106. The fine for shooting a button buck that appeared to be a doe is 100 bucks at the club where I hunt.  Makes sense to me to have good optics to make sure you know what you are shooting.  Sure good binos could help identify your target, but the scope that sits on your gun is whats going to make it count. If you don't mind spending the extra cash for a good scope, then why not get something with good light transmission and clarity?  To me spending the extra money now will save me from paying hundred dollar fines for years to come. Also, I'd hate to be able to see a nice buck through my good binos and not be able to get a good sight picture through my cheap scope. 
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I am not advocating using crappy scopes.  However, scopes are not there to count points on the antlers.  Any decent scope will allow you to see the animal and place your shot.  A decent scope to me is Burris Fullfield II or better.  In my opinion there is not enough difference in performance between a $1300 Swarowski and $400 burris to justify the difference.  With the Swarowski you'll see clearer but both scopes are clear enough to place your shot.  By the time your are ready to shoot you should have identified the animal using your binos.  The scope is for shot placement not for trying to resolve the animal's eye color.

Anyhow, this is just my opinon and I could be wrong.  If I had enough money I'd be buying all sorts of very expensive scopes simply because I like fine optical instruments.  If you can afford to put a $1000 optic on every rifle, more power to you.  It certainly won't hurt you in any way (other than your wallet of course).

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Zeiss Conquest is the best scope in it's class right now, as far as I'm concerned.

 

The VXIII is probably close, but that Conquest has fixed eye relief, versus the Loopie's variable. Give me fixed!!

 

Laser etched reticle for the Conquest too, versus Leupold's, Nikon's, outdated wire reticle.      

 

The Zeiss is the better scope, IMHO. 

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Originally posted by mwyates mwyates wrote:

Eye relief - Leupold wins, unless you really like fixed.  I'd rather have more eye relief.

 

 

 

Not sure I follow that....Leupold has great ER, no doubt. But what do you like so much about variable??

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Don't discount the 30 mm scopes with the big ends.  A lot of people think that a big end on 30 mm tube will lift the scope too high off of the receiver when this simply is not the case.  A 30 mm scope with a 50 mm end will sit lower on a gun than will the same scope in a 1 inch tube.  Of course, a lot of this depends what you're going to mount it on and how thick of a barrel you have on your particular rifle.  Something to consider for the .257 Weatherby with it's long range capability.  Looks like you're on the right track though.  Personally, I would stay away from Leupold because I don't like their short tube lengths (always have to get extension rings or bases) although that may not be problem in your particular rifle.  I would look real hard at the Bushnell 4200's or a Burris Signature or Black Diamond!
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>>>A 30 mm scope with a 50 mm end will sit lower on a gun than will the same scope in a 1 inch tube.>>>

That's incorrect.
Central axis of a 30mm scope with 50mm objective bell will in the exact same spot as the center axis of a 1" scope with 50mm objective bell.  You may end up using lower rings for the 30mm scope than for a 1" scope because of a thicker maintube but the optical axis (sightline) will be in the same spot.

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If you spend over $400.00 on any scope then you have more money than sense (pardon the pun).

I talked to one of the best rifle gunsmiths in the country and he laughs at how people spend so much on scopes due to being sucked into their marketing schemes. I would buy the Elite scope in 3200 or 4200. Best scope ever for the money. Nikon Monarch is another dandy. Furthermore, for hunting big game, a 3x9 is all the scope I will ever need. I own four 3x9's.

Just my opinion.

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