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Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

Plus again it is a tax avoidance problem from your Countries perspective. By the time it could be legalized to ship it to you, it would cost the same as if you bought it there anyways.


It would not cost that much at all.
There are American companies which many Europeans legally purchase items from. They either do credit card checks, use PayPal as payment methods or bank wire. It works perfectly.
Even after adding all the extra costs, such as custom fees, VAT and shipping, many of the items are still half the price they are in Europe.
To file for a license at the US Department of Commerce does not cost anything and it takes about 2 weeks to get it, and most of the European buyers will not have anything against waiting the extra time.

It is true, that many of the European governments are sick, and just as sick are the firms who raise the prices to unnecessarily high levels. Many of the  brands use the high level of European pricing by trying to increase their huge profits. I have great respect and admiration for those US companies who agree not consider the European hunters as terrorists and make it easy for them to avoid having to pay €600 for an Elite 3200 3-9x40.

Of course, SWFA and other companies, have the right to refuse exporting, but my point is that they are missing out on big profits as the buyers will just turn to other more flexible companies.
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I want to thank all the NATO allies for helping us fight terrorism,you people are anything but second rate,I applaud you & say Thanks.
 
This subject is very sensitive to many of us as we have families serving in the sand box,as do you.Remember they will also be shooting at your families as well.
 
The higher prices are as said above mostly government & greed.I thank SWFA for looking out for all our interest.It seems the problem comes from not knowing if the person wanting the scope is a hunter or just a bad character in it for no good.
 
SWFA are not fools,they are in business to make money,so don't you think letting your sales go is a very tough decision?Who else has a cite that is not only free but educational,insitefull & just plain fun?
 
This to shall pass so try & be patient & remember we are all in it for the long hall.Lets stomp out the terrorist & get back on track with what's really important Hunting & Reloading.
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Thank you @stockbow46 for the appreciation. It is these kinds of broader views and understanding that might open up for a more flexible American international policy.

However, you also seem to be be missing out on the point that the terrorist can, without a problem, purchase these items anywhere in the world he might prefer: Germany, Sweden, France, Italy, Australia, Singapore, Hong-Kong, India, Argentina and even closer places such as Dubai (where, by the way, many European buyers have turned to in order to get cheap rifle scopes) etc. If he wants it he can get it just around the corner. They have the cash and it's no big deal.
Notice that I am not referring to Gen 3 or 4 NVs or thermal imaging or any other such stuff. I am referring to plain old rifle scopes, binoculars, mounts etc. Do not think that these items can only be found in the US! They are everywhere in the world and the only reason we Europeans want to purchase them with you guys is because of the price. That's all.
I have a supplier just 10 miles from where I live, but I am prepared to wait 1.5 month for the scope coming from the States than paying three times the price here.

It is not smart for the American companies to see the world as an enemy and refuse trading with it. That means plenty of lost profits, in a time when the American economy desperately needs it.
A problem in Europe is that scopes such as Leupold, Trijicon etc, come up almost to the same prices that you can get Zeiss, Karl-Kaps, Docter, Schmidt & Bender, Kahles, Nikel and at times even Swarovski not even discussing such brands as Meopta, Z-aim or IOR. That will ultimately mean that the American brands will start loosing ground to the European ones. Hawke and Nikko Stirling already compete heavily with the low budget American brands such as Elite 3200, Weaver, Leupold VX-I, VX-II, Burris Fulfilled.  I am afraid that American lack of flexibility on governmental and corporate levels, will hit back as a boomerang at the US economy.

And I am not a terrorist lover. I have close friends fighting in Afghanistan and George W. Bush was my favorite American presidentExcellent, period. But the world is so much bigger than Irak, Afghanistan and other similar retarded countries, and the majority of these countries are still on your side. Don't turn them against you!
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You know the shoe fits both feet don't you? I would also point out to you that there are several companies abroad that won't ship a European scope here. Yes there are instances where a scope can be purchased cheaper there than here. If not for the taxes and government greed associated with such a purchase. It isn't as much to do with the companies as you suggest. It is Governments, and their power seeking money grabbing ways that is the real culprit. Don't blame the companies, it isn't their faults, it is that they are being held hostage, and enterprise isn't free anymore. In a perfect world, free enterprise would reign supreme, and competition would settle the prices. That sadly is not the case. Think what you want to about it. Bottom line is that anyone in a European country that wants to point fingers at American businesses for not handling such overseas business, is missing the big picture. Take care of those in your Governments first, and all else will fall in line accordingly. We here in the good old USA are having a rough enough time trying to preserve our freedoms as it is.
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Further more do you not also realize that there are several scopes that your (European)governments won't allow for sale there? SWFA and many others sell these scopes, and the amount of expense related to Government intrusion, and what not also makes such a venture problematic. Not to mention the liability should there be a mistake in a shipment. So while it may not be an issue with just your government alone, but more so that the vast majority of overseas shipments can be a nightmare making exclusive practices to one country vs the rest of them not a worthwhile venture. You gotta take care of your house first before you start ranting about that of your neighbors.
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Oh and I agree with the firms charging more for the product as well. It is however a part of the enterprise system. Supply and demand. Still as I stated above, get rid of the hurdles, and Government intrusions, and oversights, and let the market bear out competitive practices, and every one will win in the end.
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@cyborg, I think it is just as sick when a European company refuses to ship to the US as it is the other way around and by no means do I defend that.
As far as governments are concerned, I happen to live in a country that allows me without any problem to both export to whoever I want as well as import from whoever I want. I deeply appreciate that as being a modern and civilized way of doing business in a global situation.

My surprise though, came from the fact that SWFA, being such a well-known company, has not been able to finalize the license process necessary to be able to export products and the fact that they argue the credit card issue as being one of the reason. I respect the fact that they do not it as I believe in the absolute freedom of every dealer to have the liberty of selling to whomever he wants. But the same time it is a pity, as both prices as well the variety of products are very interesting for many hunters.

What do these hunters do instead? They choose to purchase the items from other American firms at probably a little higher prices but still much cheaper than at home. This way, SWFA misses out on big profits. It may be so that they do not care about the extra cash in which case I understand them but still....Really Sad
Do not forget that the power of the American economy has been the trading flexibility which you guys, on an early stage proved to have. It is sad when socialistic trading terms become acceptable over there as that kinda goes against everything the USA stands for.
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I concur on the Socialistic thing. It is something we are fighting tooth and nail here. I see where other citizenships are fighting to regain that which we teeter on losing here. It is a shame. One which hopefully we can as a free society survive, and pass along the tenets of freedom that we enjoyed to our posterity.
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Originally posted by Tranan Tranan wrote:

It is sad when socialistic trading terms become acceptable over there as that kinda goes against everything the USA stands for.


Socialist everything is becoming acceptable in our country.  They are destroying us from the inside out. 
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Well put 73,Come November things will start to change,even the bleeding hearts have had it.The storm & tea party are on thier wayAmerican Flag
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