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I recently purchased a Savage Arms Mark II 22LR and am looking to put a decent scope on this rifle for target shooting.  Having read comments in this forum and looking at other sites I have several options that interest me.  They are:

Bushnell 3x9x40 Elite 4200
Leupold Rifleman 3x9x40
Burris Fullfield II 3x9x40
 
I want a good scope that won't break the bank.  I'll pay more for quality but am looking in the $200 to $350 range.  Any advice to a new rifle owner???
 
Thanks,
 
David.
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Nice rifle! And you did two of the smartest things a new rifle owner can do. You bought something that's good quality and affordable to shoot. See further down for the third important thing - training.

You are all over the place price wise. I'd eliminate the Rifleman right off the bat because it's not a very good scope, and I'd also eliminate the other two because they are not rimfire scopes. Rimfire scopes are set to be parallax free at 50yds while centerfire scopes are set to be parallax free at 100yds. 100yds is a long shot for a 22LR and most rimfire target shooting is done at 50yds.

Parallax doesn't become much of a issue at rimfire ranges until you get past 7x magnification (10x for centerfire ranges). My advice is to decide what kind of target shooting that you plan before spending any money. For casual dirt clod assassination at 10-50yds a Weaver RV7 2.5-7x28 rimfire scope will do fine. It's a good quality yet inexpensive scope.

If you plan to get a bit more serious and casually punch paper at up to 50yds then the Weaver RV9 3-9x32 w/AO is the entry point. It has an adjustable objective (AO) which lets you dial out parallax errors at any range and is a good solid little scope. The Leupold 3-9x33 VXII Rimfire E.F.R. is a similar concept to the Weaver RV9 but high-buck and with a bit better optics.

If you plan to get really serious then you'll want more magnification. The Weaver V16 or V24 (4-16x42 w/AO and 6-24x42 w/AO) are very, very popular with the rimfire benchrest crowd. My favorite 50yd bench rest scope is a V24 with a Varmint-Plex reticle. But I have some serious 22s.

Ok getting past optics I have two more bits of advice. The Savage MKII is a very accurate rifle. If you are going to get serious at target shooting and get near the accuracy potential that your rifle offers then you'll need to move beyond $15/500 bulk Walmart ammo. It's very inconsistent and is good for maybe 1-2" groups at 50yds. You'll have to get into $50/500 and up match grade ammo to really see all that rifle is capable of. Probably in the area of dime size groups as your skills develop. But it's not so simple as buying a box of good ammo. Every barrel will have a favorite and even two identical rifles may like something completely different. You'll need to pick up 4-5 50rd boxes of match ammo and find out which yours likes best. Of course trick ammo can wait a bit. Practice practice practice with the affordable stuff and then when you're ready search for the right cartridge for your rifle.

One last bit of advice. Get yourself some quality lessons. I can't recommend Appleseed highly enough. Top quality lessons by volunteers that are there because they care - and it's cheap. They put on classes in Corona that run $70 (plus range fees) for 2 very full days. It also qualifies for the CMP training requirement.  Schedule

I shoot out at Inland F&G in Redlands, maybe I'll see you there one day.




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++++ what Sholling said!
 
 
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the savages are good guns, but as stated the ammo is even more important, also try subsonic ammo and if you plan on shooting past 100 yds, the total amount of elevation adjustment will become a major detail. Don't switch back and forth between copper and lead, and if you find something like a standard velocity lead that shoots good, buy a big box of it  (5000 rds)

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That 4-16x42 Weaver with the dot reticle looks like what I'm looing for, for my 22rf. The AO adjust down to 30 feet to infinety.

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Sholling,
 
Thanks for the awesome advice.  The reason I went with that rifle and caliber is I wanted a good rifle I could use for many years, work up to some decent accuracy and shoot for a low price while I am learning.
 
Since this post I have looked at all kinds of scopes and asked all kinds of people about what I should get.  I am now thinking about an AO type scope that I can solve that parallax problem you talk about.  I'm looking at the Leupold VX II 4x12x40 AO, the Nikon Buckmaster 6x18x40 AO (with the Target Dot reticle), or the Bushnell Trophy series 6x18x40 AO.  What do you think about these scopes on that Mark II rifle?
 
As for the training I couldn't agree more.  I had planned on taking some lessons from a pro out at the Olympic Shooting center in Chino, but I will definately check out the Appleseed group you mentioned.
 
If you are ever planning to shoot at the Inland F&G let me know as I would like to shoot with you sometime.
 
Take care,
 
David. 
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Excellent for Mr SHOLLING....... IMHO with your list...BUSHNELL, NIKON then Leupold

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The VXII is the best of that those you listed but IMO overkill for 50ds in broad daylight. The Buck Master is a decent scope but I like the Weaver V-Series a tiny bit better, and the Trophy is a step down. My very favorite scope for rimfire bench target shooting is the V24 with Varmint-Plex reticle. It's a cross between a multi-x reticle and a target dot. But that's a lot of magnification if you plan to plink at all. A 4-16x would give more flexability.

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