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Ok I am new here and having been learnign alot for you guys so thanks....
I am looking to set up a .50 cal Savage Smokeless
Now I want to keep it in a budget of 200 CAD since I am in canada. right now 200USD costs me 260CAD so our dollar isnt that great!
 
I can get a Simmons Master Aetec 2.8 -10 x 44.......for 200.  Good option??
The Elite 3200 4-12 x40 is gonna cost me close to 400.
 
What are some other suitable options that will be helpful.
Mostly after deer at 200 yards tops if i figure out my gun at that long of a distance.
 
Any other info is helpful. I have read i dont need that much magnifiaction either for a muzzleloader.?!
Just clear and bright for low loight conditions is my main concern.
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djzed14:
 
Check out the links below.  The first has some recommendations for scopes and lots of info on the Savage smokless muzzeloader.  The second is a newer version of the same forum with a section for Savage muzzrloaders. It appears that they are very hard on scopes especially those with front parallax adjustments.  I would get something with a good warranty and lots of eye relief.  The lower end Burris, Bushnell, Vortex or Sightron scopes should be in your price range.  The Leupolds may be a little too pricey unless you can find a deal on a used one.  The Nikon 3-9x Primos on the Sample list for $179 is considered a good scope but only has a 90 day warranty.
 
If you are primarily using the gun for hunting and want a variable something between 1-4x and 3-9 or less is best.  If you are target shooting than I would probably go higher magnification.  Higher magnification generally costs more money for the same quality.    
 
 
 
 
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A 3x9 is certainly more magnification than you really need for this rifle. A 1x3, to a 4x, to a 5x, is all you would need for anything to 200 yards or less.
 
For under $200, look at the 1-3x20 Weaver V3. Great FOVs, both eyes open aiming and very fast to acquire the target!
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If you plan on actually practicing and target shooting at 200 yards and beyond then my suggestion would certainly be to go with a 3-9x scope.  There is a little saying in archery circles that goes "Aim big, miss big. Aim small, miss small."
 
I have a Savage 10ML and it will put shots within a 3" circle easy at 200 yards.  Depending on the reticle that you choose I think you would have a hard time doing that with a 4x or 5x scope. Visit the dougsmessageboards.proboards.com site often and ask questions.  Those guys are all eager to help.  However your question concering a scope choice is going to be a tough one based on your limited funds.  Maybe a 3-9x42 Sightron SI might fit the bill.
 
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Djzed, hi, I also live in Canuk land. Leu has a 1-4 and a 2-7 for shotgun/muzzle stuffers and both are under $300 Can. pesos. I use the 1-4 on a 450 Marlin lever gun and am very happy with it. If that recoil doesn't kill a scope I don't think a front loader will do the damage. Mr Dougedwards, I'm impressed with a muzzle gun doing 3"@200. I shoot a caplock, no scope, so limit myself to 100. I'd be happy getting that at 100. Just as a matter of scopes though, a 6x will easily do 5 into under 1 1/2"@200. If the rifle is capable of the accuracy I don't think you need higher magnification at that range. For hunting I find a 4x plenty for anything out to 200.
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Originally posted by iwilder iwilder wrote:

djzed14:
 
 I would get something with a good warranty and lots of eye relief.  The Nikon 3-9x Primos on the Sample list for $179 is considered a good scope but only has a 90 day warranty.
 
If you are primarily using the gun for hunting and want a variable something between 1-4x and 3-9 or less is best.  If you are target shooting than I would probably go higher magnification.  Higher magnification generally costs more money for the same quality.    
  
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I have the savage and I bought a signature 1.5x6 for it.  It would work fine for hunting, but it isn't much help in load development or group shooting at 200 yards.  I ended up buying a new 3-9x40 primos/monarch and am very satisfied.  4" eye relief is nice, because this gun is a stiff kicker.  Bought the new instead of a samplelist scope for the extra assurance of new warranty coverage.  That scope is just right for that gun, in my opinion.
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3-9 is definately not too much mag for the Savage 10ML-II.  This aint your daddy's muzzleloader and is definately a 200 yd+ weapon in competent hands.  Get the best scope you can afford.  In your price range I would look at the Bushnell Elite 3200 3-9x40 or if you can spend about $20 more then the Elite 3200 3-10x40 SA (Short Action)...it has about 1/2" more eye relief then the 3-9.
 
I would also focus on good steel bases and rings.  Warne is a good choice.
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I'd suggest a fixed 6x Weaver sight at 100 and figure about 10 in drop at 200 check to see how this corresponds to your bullet weight and powder charge.
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A fixed 6x would be a good choice.  What load you plan to shoot out of your Savage 10ML-II?  Even a mild book recommended load of 42g N110 will push a .452 dia 250g bullet in a sabot around 2300 fps.  With a 250g SST for example this would give you a 6" MPBR of around 210 yds or so.  With such a load I would personally sight in for dead on at about 170 yds.  You'd never be more than +/- 3" from the muzzle out to about 210 yds.
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i put a swift premier on my knight bighorn 4-12x40 works great i took a deer at 170 yds using a 300 gr. hornady xtp mag
i got a nikon 4x on my cva optima elite works great  it has better glass than the swift
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I think you would find this to be a good scope for your application in your price range.
 
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I am only allowed to use a muzzleloader except late antlerless so I have a nikon Omega with BDC reticle but most scopes in the 3-9 range are a good power range and I really think a fixed 6x would be plenty. On of my boys uses a 4.5-14 but he likes to compare the racks to select which ones he wants to leave for next year. I have a fixed 6x that I am reallly thinking about putting onto my musket but I have killed lots of deer wiht the 3-9 Omega even though the glass is not real good the scope is deadly.
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