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Hi all new here. I have a Remington model 788 22-250 was looking to put a new scope on it would like to keep the cost around or under 200.$. what would be a good brand to go with at this price range and what kinda of power would you recomend at a shooting range out to around 400 yards. thanks for everyones time.
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Welcome To The OT!!

 

Are you shooting small varmints, like PD's out to 400 yds, or bigger game like coyotes??

 

http://www.riflescopes.com/products/6453/nikon_4.5-14x40_buc kmaster_riflescope.htm

This would be a good setup.

I'm not sure if the BDC circles would obscure your smaller targets, but it would be wicked good for coyotes!! 

 

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I live in southern IL. so most of the stuff I shoot are coyotes and ground hogs. what about a tasco or a simmons or a bushnell scope which of this would be a good choice?
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Originally posted by HotRod HotRod wrote:

I live in southern IL. so most of the stuff I shoot are coyotes and ground hogs. what about a tasco or a simmons or a bushnell scope which of this would be a good choice?

 

I have no recent experience with the Simmons or Tasco's.

The Bushnell 3200 would be an option, I guess.

 

If you can pony up the few extra dollars for the Nikon BM or Burris Full Field II, you would be better served, IMO.

 

You will probably "need" a BDC, mil dot, or equivalent on your budget, unless you want to go with target knobs and "click" your shots.  With target knobs, your talking MORE money than your current budget allows.

 

$299.00 for the Nikon BM w/ BDC or $289.00 for the same scope with a mil dot and your home free, my friend.

 

Good shooting!

 

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I put a SS 10X on my 250 (you can check it out in the pics section-just look for Yotecaller1), works great for shootin PD's (and if you range them you can dial in the dope which is a plus) also, they're rugged as hell.  Have not lost zero yet, and I have tweeked the knobs quite a bit.  Yotes it works good too, for that type of animal I wouldn't recomend going about 10X for a running shot.  That's my two cents, let us know what you go with.

 

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Give the bushnell elite 3200 10x40 a look. They are under the 200 dollar mark that you want to spend.
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Check out the Mueller Eraticator (8.5-25x50) with illuminated target dot, around $229.95.  I have one and it's great even at 25.  You can learn more about them and other Mueller scopes at www.muelleroptics.com.  You can also read reviews on the Mueller website.  Another great place to read reviews about different firearms and optics is www.gunblast.com.  Jeff from gunblast speaks very highly of the Mueller Eraticator.  If you don't need so much scope, I would check out the Mueller APV (4.5-14x40 wide angle) $114.95.  I own both and love both of these scopes.  A great place to buy these scopes for less than retail and with free shipping is www.oneclickshooting.com.  The prices I listed are from www.oneclickshooting.com.   I hope www.riflescopes.com will carry Mueller scopes one of these days because it is in my opinion the best place to buy optics.  I just wish they would add Mueller.
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I live in minnesota. I travel to south dakota every year to shoot prarie dogs. I have first hand expirence with many different scope makes and models. my friends and I have come to one conclusion about scopes. NO SCOPE IN THE UNDER FOUR HUNDRED DOLLAR RANGE CAN COMPETE WITH THE TOP OF THE LINE SIMMONS BRAND. I do not, and cannot say these words unless I had acually seen the results of fruitless efforts of acquiring scopes claiming to be better. If possible go to a large sporting goods store comparing the scopes side by side, The best judge of quality is your own eye.Do not go crazy with magnification. Concentrate on optical clarity. We compared and belive it to be true that the use of an optical resolution chart is the scientific way of comparing optics at long ranges.    
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Originally posted by never e nuff never e nuff wrote:

I live in minnesota. I travel to south dakota every year to shoot prarie dogs. I have first hand expirence with many different scope makes and models. my friends and I have come to one conclusion about scopes. NO SCOPE IN THE UNDER FOUR HUNDRED DOLLAR RANGE CAN COMPETE WITH THE TOP OF THE LINE SIMMONS BRAND. I do not, and cannot say these words unless I had acually seen the results of fruitless efforts of acquiring scopes claiming to be better. If possible go to a large sporting goods store comparing the scopes side by side, The best judge of quality is your own eye.Do not go crazy with magnification. Concentrate on optical clarity. We compared and belive it to be true that the use of an optical resolution chart is the scientific way of comparing optics at long ranges.    


Would you mind elaborating a little on which exact Simmons scope you were comparing with which exact other brands?

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by never e nuff never e nuff wrote:

I live in minnesota. I travel to south dakota every year to shoot prarie dogs. I have first hand expirence with many different scope makes and models. my friends and I have come to one conclusion about scopes. NO SCOPE IN THE UNDER FOUR HUNDRED DOLLAR RANGE CAN COMPETE WITH THE TOP OF THE LINE SIMMONS BRAND. I do not, and cannot say these words unless I had acually seen the results of fruitless efforts of acquiring scopes claiming to be better. If possible go to a large sporting goods store comparing the scopes side by side, The best judge of quality is your own eye.Do not go crazy with magnification. Concentrate on optical clarity. We compared and belive it to be true that the use of an optical resolution chart is the scientific way of comparing optics at long ranges.    


Would you mind elaborating a little on which exact Simmons scope you were comparing with which exact other brands?

ILya

 

PLEASE elaborate..........

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I am refurring to two simmons whitetail classics 4.5X14X40 these retailed for about$175 and three simmons varmint 6X20X40 that went for around $115. I fully understand that these are no longer made. These scopes are still available thru auction sites to those looking for quality optics. Also these scopes have shown to maintain their zero where other scopes costing three times more have failed.(very frustrating) I do not crank my adjustments for anything. I belive that is a recipe for disaster. If one could find fault in these it would be that the crosshairs are a little fat with no mil-dot.In comparison we used Bushnell trophys,Bushnell legends,Tasco varmints,Bushnell 3200 and 4200,Leupold VX-III,BSA contenders,Shepard scopes,Tasco world class,Pentax,Swift,and others that elude me. Simmons is now owned by meade, along with redfield and weaver. I have not been able to examine one personally. There for I would recommend that if you are considering a purchase that you compare them side by side. Let your eye be the judge.   
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I am fairly well familiar with the Simmons scopes you are referring to.  I was under an impression that while they are marginally better than the absolute piece of crap scopes like Tasco World Class or anything BSA, comparing them to actually decent scopes is a little startling.  I am more than a little baffled by the fact that you consider them superior to Bushnell Elite scopes, Leupy VX-III or Pentax (just to pick the ones I am well familiar with).

Have you ever actually seen an Elite 4200? 

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Originally posted by BlazinBob BlazinBob wrote:

Check out the Mueller Eraticator (8.5-25x50) with illuminated target dot, around $229.95.  I have one and it's great even at 25.  You can learn more about them and other Mueller scopes at www.muelleroptics.com.  You can also read reviews on the Mueller website.  Another great place to read reviews about different firearms and optics is www.gunblast.com.  Jeff from gunblast speaks very highly of the Mueller Eraticator.  If you don't need so much scope, I would check out the Mueller APV (4.5-14x40 wide angle) $114.95.  I own both and love both of these scopes.  A great place to buy these scopes for less than retail and with free shipping is www.oneclickshooting.com.  The prices I listed are from www.oneclickshooting.com.   I hope www.riflescopes.com will carry Mueller scopes one of these days because it is in my opinion the best place to buy optics.  I just wish they would add Mueller.


Do you work for Mueller?

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Yes I have two bushnell elite 4200 6X24 mill-dots on my varmint guns. One of them is a savage 12BVSS-S in .223 and the other is a savage 112BVSS in 25-06. Now I said I compared the simmons to the bushnell and found it to be the most acceptable scope in the under $200 catagory. What i did fail to mention was I found the 4200 to be the best in the $400 catagory. The leupold was also the most dissipointing for the money. NIce varmint hunters reticule, very poor optical clarity. I do not type fast, but I do understand that you can't aim your shot at a very small target that looks like a puffball through your scope. I also find it very hard to watch the impact of your shot if you have your scope set on anything much higher than 16 power. I lay prone on the ground with a harris bipod and a leather protector benchrest butt bag with a very heavy rifle. This gives me the highest percentage of one shot kills. I have been prarie dog shooting for over ten years. I am not a newbie to long range practical shooting. I shoot an average of 1400 rounds of hand loaded .223 ammo during a 5 day trip every year. I speak from expirence.        
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Originally posted by never e nuff never e nuff wrote:

I live in minnesota. I travel to south dakota every year to shoot prarie dogs. I have first hand expirence with many different scope makes and models. my friends and I have come to one conclusion about scopes. NO SCOPE IN THE UNDER FOUR HUNDRED DOLLAR RANGE CAN COMPETE WITH THE TOP OF THE LINE SIMMONS BRAND. I do not, and cannot say these words unless I had acually seen the results of fruitless efforts of acquiring scopes claiming to be better. If possible go to a large sporting goods store comparing the scopes side by side, The best judge of quality is your own eye.Do not go crazy with magnification. Concentrate on optical clarity. We compared and belive it to be true that the use of an optical resolution chart is the scientific way of comparing optics at long ranges.    


I am not doubting your varminting experience in the slightest.

The reason I was confused is that in your original post (above), you called Simmons the best scope in the under four hundred dollars range.  That is what I disagree with.  Now that you posted a correction, saying that you consider Simmons the best under $200, and Elite 4200 under four hundred, my confusion is somewhat alleviated.

The part that we disagree (and this one is certainly debatable) is that there is a decent high magnification scope under $200.  You think that Simmons WTC is decent while I think WTC is best used as a paperweight.  I most certainly agree that Elite 4200 is a wonderful scope and that going with very high magnification is a mistake.

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All right Koshkin obvously you are very opioniated. It seems we do not agree on much. The orignial question from Hot Rod was advice on a scope at the $200 price. Also Hot Rod wanted to know about magnification. About this subject if your intended target is not standing still it would be hard to zero in on a moving target without the lower power on the variable. This website sells the new Simmons master series for $199. I think we all want to get the highest quality for the hard earned money we spend. That would be my advice. You give yours, opions are like a certain body part, everyone has one. If anyone would like to compare scopes and they are anywhere near the twin cities I would be happy to do so. I have a private 400 yard rifle range at my disposal. I love to shoot!  Koshkin please give us your pick for the above stated question oh orical? This is a hard question with very few possible quality answers.  
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Originally posted by never e nuff never e nuff wrote:

Koshkin please give us your pick for the above stated question oh orical? This is a hard question with very few possible quality answers.  

 

Lighten up, Francis.....Play nice.

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Originally posted by never e nuff never e nuff wrote:

All right Koshkin obvously you are very opioniated. It seems we do not agree on much. The orignial question from Hot Rod was advice on a scope at the $200 price. Also Hot Rod wanted to know about magnification. About this subject if your intended target is not standing still it would be hard to zero in on a moving target without the lower power on the variable. This website sells the new Simmons master series for $199. I think we all want to get the highest quality for the hard earned money we spend. That would be my advice. You give yours, opions are like a certain body part, everyone has one. If anyone would like to compare scopes and they are anywhere near the twin cities I would be happy to do so. I have a private 400 yard rifle range at my disposal. I love to shoot!  Koshkin please give us your pick for the above stated question oh orical? This is a hard question with very few possible quality answers.  


In your original post you claimed that Simmons was better than anything under $400.

As for the under $200, there is no high magnification scope under $200 that is worth the money, IMO.

If you are shopping in that price range, you are better served with a Sightron S2 3-9x42.  You can buy it for about $200 and it makes up for comparatively lower magnificaiton with optical quality.  If you want holdover points, get a Burris Fullfield II 3-9x40 with Ballistic Plex.

If you want higher magnification, with reasonably decent optics, prepare to pay more.

Glass wise, there is a kinda decent Swift Premier scope 4.5-14x44 for just over $200, but I am not a big fan of Swift scopes either.  Better than Simmons though.

Same thing with Mueller: their 4-16x50 is kinda OK, but I am not sure that higher magnificaiton offsets lower optical quality here.  At least, if it breaks, you'll get better service from Mueller than from Simmons.

Regarding Simmons scopes: they were, IMO, of pretty spotty quality before Meade took over.  Now with Meade in charge, I do not know if it got better or worse.  Time will tell.

About comparing scopes:  I do that quite a bit.  There is a reason why cheap scopes are cheap.  You get the most for your money in the $200 to $600 range (approximately).  Below that, you are likely to compromise quality, above that you hit a case of diminishing returns.  There are some low magnificaiton scopes and fixed mag scopes under $200 that are pretty good, but no varmint scopes that I am aware of.

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I bought a Nikon Buckmaster the 4 to 12 with the 50 mil objective off the sample list for $ 229 and have used it on my 22-250  I am very happy with it, a lot of scope for the money. Only drawback is the Nikon 90 day limit. on sample list scopes.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

[There is a reason why cheap scopes are cheap. 

 

May I quote you on that, Sir???

You kill me!!!

 

I'll put that right up there with "Chi-com Crap".

 

Welcome to The OT, Duce.

Glad you like your Buckmaster.

 

I too am a "casual Buckmaster fan".  

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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

[There is a reason why cheap scopes are cheap. 

 

May I quote you on that, Sir???

You kill me!!!

 

I'll put that right up there with "Chi-com Crap".

 

Welcome to The OT, Duce.

Glad you like your Buckmaster.

 

I too am a "casual Buckmaster fan".  



By all means.  We will discuss my TradeMark fee offline, of course

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I am glad to see you have an opion Koshkin. We will have to agree to dissagree. This exact question has been debated to no end with my hunting and shooting friends. It always seems to come up every time someone buys a new scope or buys a new varmint rifle. It is hard to spend $700 to $1200 on a new rifle just to turn around and spend another $700 for the kind of glass it requires to take advantage of the accuracy. My next purchase will probably be a Burris black diamond with posi-loc,and ballistic mill-dot. I hope it is worth the price of admission. No one wants to take that kind of plunge and get burned. To Hot Rod, if he is still watching good luck.To Cheap Trick I am glad it has been entertaining. And to Koshkin I am sure our paths will cross again. 
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We all have our opinions,  if we all agreed on everything this forum would not be nearly as entertaining.

Of course on one hand there are reasonable opinions, and on the other there is that cheaptrick fellow with his Nikonitis...

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Be advised!!

 

Koshkin is also known around here as The Dark Lord Of Optics.

He has sold out to the Dark side of the optics force... 

 

Since he's logged on here, he has taken many a young "Optics Grasshopper" and led them down a dark, dark path....to Optics Perdition. (Gasp) (Creepy organ music)

 

Oh yes, when a innocent Grasshopper logs on to The OT looking for a scope for his "meat gun", the first person he normally encounters is who???  Koshkin!!

 

Koshkins warm welcome and phony interest in their "needs" is only a diabolical disguise, my friend.  

Why, in no time koshkin has their head spinning with buzz words like "critical eye relief" or "twilight performance" and how they just can't live another day without one of his "Axis of Evil" optics devises.

Yes friend, I'm referring to the unholy trinity of scopes.....

(creepy organ music).....Sightron, Burris, and the dreaded IOR w/ the MP8!!!

The horror...the horror.

 

Even the post above, referring to my love of Nikon's as a "sickness"

As you can plainly see, koshkin will stop at nothing until all shooters rifles are wearing one of his evil optics.

It's no coincidence that he recommends the Burris BLACK Diamond......

Run back to the light, little Grasshoppers!! Before it's too late!!

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I would just like to point out a few inconsistencies in the post by the hopelessly afflicted cheaptrick (above):

I very seldom recommend Black Diamond scopes.  They are good scopes and all, but for most of us they are bigger and more expensive than what we really need.

I think very highly of Bushnell Elite 4200.

The natural dwelling place for Dark Lord of Optics is, quite obviously, the abyss.  If anyone can come up with a better location to test the low light capabilities of a scope, I am all ears.

If I have sold out to any side, Dark or Light, where the heck is my payment?  If there is no payment, than I did not sell out, right? 

Isn't it obvious that cheaptrick here has clearly resorted to a smear campaign, just to avoid and honest intellectual discussion on the merits of his Nikonitis affliction.  I think he is just afraid of getting spanked here

I feel so wronged ...

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