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Does anyone on the forum have a scoped Savage 24 or other combo gun?  I'm feeling the need to add to my collection, and I think a combo rifle/shotgun might scratch my itch.  I hunt on public land in Virginia, and deer season overlaps with small game season.  There have been days when I have struck out hunting deer and would have liked to console myself by taking back a squirrel or two for the stewpot.
 
If I got a 30-30 or .308 over a shotgun barrel, what would be the best way to scope it?  Using QR mounts so you could remove the scope when in shotgun mode?  Does anyone have any experience in this?  I have a 2-7 Monarch in my closet that needs a home.
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I own a nice step up from that combo Savage gun, but still it's a far cry from expensive European combos. It's a Valmet 412s, with a .308 under a 12 ga upper barrel. If I'm not mistaken Valmet also made a 512 that's basically the same gun. Valme produced what they termed a "shooting system" in Finland with the 412s coming out about mid to late 70s and a very similar Savage combo(made by Tikka) prior to it. The 412s is a very well made gun featuring double O/U shotgun barrels in several different configurations and double rifle barrel sets too. So, and owner could theoretically own, using the same receiver 12ga, 20 ga O/Us, double rifles in .308, 30/06, and 9.3x74 along with combination barrels in 222/223/12, .243/12, .308/12 and 30/06/12. The top of the universally used receiver is dovetailed for a specially made Valmet scope mount, so it can be used for double shotgun, combination , or double rifle. These Valmets and later Tikkas are still seen at times on major online gunbroker sites and can be had at pretty good prices. I own a 12/.308 with scope(Weaver 1-3) and double 12ga set, and love it.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/900937849/Guns/Rifles/Valmet-Rifles/Valmet_412_2_barrel_set.htm

http://www.gunsamerica.com/976999095/Guns/Shotguns/Valmet-Shotguns/valmet_412_12_30_06_combination_gun.htm

Good luck. Ed
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Thanks Ed.  Those Vamlets are beautiful guns.  The Blazer and other European combos and drillings are nice too!  A bit out of my price range, but very nice.
 
Do you take the scope off your Vamlet when you use the shotgun?
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There are some inexpensive Baikal combination guns as well. I own one of their double rifles(O/U) in .308 and got a nice mount that mounts to a mill on their receiver too (mount is made by Millet, I beleive). Not what I'd call a gorgeous gun, but a good looking and well made one. I kind of misspoke before as the milled slots are actually in each barrel set on the Valmet, to include the double shotgun one I have. So, the mount and scope STAY with each barrel set. Sorry about my bad memory...lol
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My though on the subject is when you try to get the same thing to do too much often it doesnt do either thing well.  I would suggest a nice ruger single six 22 / 22 mag single action revolver to carry along with your hunting rifle that way when you get tired of hunting deer you can eliminate all posiblility of seeing any by shootings those pesky squirrels that can be so annoying in the tree stand. You can do the same thing with a marlin model 70pss


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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

My though on the subject is when you try to get the same thing to do too much often it doesnt do either thing well.  I would suggest a nice ruger single six 22 / 22 mag single action revolver to carry along with your hunting rifle that way when you get tired of hunting deer you can eliminate all posiblility of seeing any by shootings those pesky squirrels that can be so annoying in the tree stand. You can do the same thing with a marlin model 70pss take down rifle in your back pack.


Of course it's "Different Strokes, for Different Folks" but I love the idea of, with the mere pushing of a button on the trigger, being able to switch from a 165gr .308 to a slug, or perhaps 00 buckshot, or even to a load of number 4s to down a pesky squirrel or turkey during the fall season, all the while looking through a nice 1-3x20 V3 Weaver scope. The barrels can be regulated to shoot to same POA.
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You never know what you might run into in the woods or when.  When I was stationed at Ft. Sill they had a lottery for deer hunt areas.  I drew a 'Shotgun Only' area, but did not own a shotgun at the time.  There is no shortage of Pawn shops in Lawton, OK, so I walked into one and for $39 dollars became the proud owner of a single-shot 20 gauge in good condition.  For a few dollars more I got some slugs and a box of #6's.
 
Deer hunting was only allowed on Saturday.  Since I was unfamiliar with the area I drew in the lottery, I went small game hunting there Friday after class.  I brought the 20 gauge and some of the #6 birdshot shells.  I scouted the area, saw deer sign, and then decided to try for a squirrel or two on the way back to my car.  I walked up to a small stand of trees, not trying to be particularly quiet or stealty and looked for a grey tail. 
 
While I was looking up in the trees I heard some noise behind me.  I turned my head and saw a huge 10 point quarting toward me.  I froze, and he bedded down in some tall grass about twenty yards from where I was standing. 
 
I didn't have any of the slugs, and I would have been against the Ft. Sill regulations to shoot him on Friday anyway.  I didn't want to spook him either, because I hoped to come back the next day and bag him.  I also had a pregnant wife at home who expected me back before dinner.  After about 30 minutes of him laying there and me standing frozen I tried to sneak off to my car.  He heard me after about three steps, got up to see me, and then took off like a rocket with his tail in the area.  I did not see him the next day.
 
I struck out that season, PCS'ed to Germany the following spring, and left the 20 gauge at my father-in-laws.  My brother-in-law pawned it!
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       I spent over 6 yrs in Germany during my military career. I'm pretty sure I had read about combination guns prior to that time. I think European hunters have much more involved in "harvesting" something than the average American hunter(my personal opinion). Hunting in Europe is far different than here. That all being said, the idea of a combination gun SHOULD, in my opinion, be more important than the average American hunter makes it. I still love the idea that I have a slug along with my .308 165Gr with me. Also, I love that I can have TWO chokes when turkey hunting, one with a FULL choke load of 4s and the other with a Mod load of 6s, think about that for a second, a load for FAR away turkeys and a 2nd one,BOTH with a scope for close ones! And the idea that I have both a rifle and shotgun on board as I sit in a fall treestand, is simply GREAT!! Again, simply my opinion.    
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