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I WOULD TRULY LIKE TO HERE SOME OF YOUR SUGGESTIONS

ON BUYING A NEW SCOPE FOR A REMINGTON 700 30-06.

I HAVE A SIMMONS 3X9X40 8-POINT THAT CAME WITH THE

RIFLE WHEN I BOUGHT IT SECOND HAND.

I HUNT MAINLY OPEN COUNTRY IN N.M.

I WANT A SCOPE THAT HAS GOOD OPTICS AND THAT IS DURABLE

IVE LOOKED AT LEUPOLD,NIKON,BUSHNELL,BURRIS, AND MUELLER

I WOULD LIKE TO SPEND NO MORE THAN $300.00

ANY SUGGESTIONS????

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I would suggest the Leupold, Weaver (Grand Slam) and then the Burris in that order. For your price range the Leupold has the best eye relief and build, the Weaver has good lenses and offers alot for the price, the Burris IMHO is just a good scope with no frills.

 

I do not know what magnifications and models you have been looking at but this is what I put together:

 

Leupold VX-II 3-9x40

 

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Specifications

Weight (oz):

12


Wide Duplex

 

Length (in):

12.4

 

Eye Relief (in):

4.7 - 3.7

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I have no personal experience with Weaver Grand Slam model that you mention, but I would take Burris Fullfield II with Ballistic Plex over Leupold VX II.  Both good scopes though and you can't go wrong with either.  Grand Slam scopes have a reputation for being very good for the money as well.

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IV,E BEEN THINKING ABOUT THE BURRIS FULLFIELD II

IN 3.5X10X50 BALLISTIC PLEX.

I HAVE FOUND THEM FOR ABOUT $309.00

ON THE NET.

HAS ANYONE HAD ANY PROBLEMS WITH

THIS SCOPE?? 

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if you look through alot of the topcis here, you will notice that we dont recommend using a 50mm objective, becuase of the loss of a good cheek weld, added price, bulk, and weight. and on a 700, i like the looks of the leupold gold ring, and the VXII 3-9x40 is one awesome scope!!!.

 

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ohhh, i wouldnt get the wide duplex, its REALLY heavy for a big game scope, duplex would work jsut fine

 

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YOUR PROBABLY RIGHT ABOUT THE 50mm.

THE PROBLEM I HAD LAST YEAR WAS

I HAD A HARD TIME MAKING OUT A DOE

FROM A YOUNG BUCK AT A DISTANCE

MORE THAN 150 YARDS.

THIS COULD BE DUE TO THE CHEAP $49.00

SIMMONS THAT CAME ON THE RIFLE.

THE THING IM WORRIED ABOUT IS IF I

BUY ANOTHER 3X9X40 WILL I HAVE THE SAME

PROBLEM WITH BRINGING MY TARGET IN CLOSER.

MAYBE A 3.5X10X40 OR A 4X12X40 WITHIN MY BUDGET.

AS WITH ALL OF US I WANT THE MOST SCOPE THAT I

CAN POSSIBLY GET WITH THE MONEY IM  WILLING TO SPEND.

 

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I think that poor optics of that Simmons scope are a much bigger problem than the objective size.  Going to higher magnification with the same objective lens size is not going to help either.  Your best bet without spending too much money is to get a better scope in the same configuration: 3-9x40 or so.  Since this is the most popular type of a scope you can get the best optics for the money in this range.

 

The three scopes mentioned above are all good choices (I'd go for a Burris personally).  Another good option is Sightron.  In their S2 scope line they have a 3-9x42 and a 3-12x42.  Both can be had for less than $300 bucks.  Do a search on the interent; there are a lot of retailers for these scopes.  I have a 3-9x42 and I couldn't be happier with it.  I think it compares well with anything I've seen under $500-$600.

 

Also, your best compromise between light transmission and magnification on a scope with 42mm objective is to use it with 6x magnification when in low light. 

 

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i ditto koshkin about the problem with the simmons, not the objective, your problem was causes by poor light transmission, which is caused by cheap lens coatings, NOT the objective size.

 

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OKAY I WENT AND DID IT!!!!

TODAY I BOUGHT A NEW LEUPOLD VXII 3X9X40 MATTE

HAD IT MOUNTED AND BORE SIGHTED (300.00 FOR ALL)

TOOK IT OUT TO THE RANGE AND SIGHTED IN AT 25 YARDS

HAD IT DEAD ON IN A COUPLE GROUPS OF THREE

MOVED TARGET TO 100 YARDS TRIED TO ZERO AT ABOUT

1.5 ABOVE BULL.

NOTICE I SAID TRIED, MY SHOTS WERE ALL OVER THE PLACE

I SHOT TWO BOXES OF WIN.165 GRAIN 30/06

AND STILL NO LUCK  I WENT BACK TO TOWN BOUGHT

ANOTHER BOX OF THE SAME AMMO,, I STARTED ALL OVER

FROM THE 25 AGAIN DEAD ON  BUT ALL OVER THE PLACE AT 100

THIS HAS RUIEND MY WHOLE DAY.

MY RIFLE WAS SHOOTING DIME SIZE GROUPS OF THREE AT 100 YARDS

WITH THE SAME AMMO PRIOR TO CHANGING SCOPES.

MY MOUNTS ARE TIGHT (CHECKED TWICE) WHATS WRONG???????

THE OTHER THING I NOTICED IS THE RETICLE IS NOT VERY BRIGHT

TRIED ADJUSTING THAT ALSO NO REAL CHANGE.

IM NOT READY TO BLAME THE SCOPE JUST YET, BUT IM NOT REAL HAPPY

WITH IT EITHER. COULD I HAVE MADE A BETTER CHOICE IN SCOPES??? 

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ALMOST FORGOT

THANK YOU KOSHKIN!!!!!!!!

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What's all the yelling about? 
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i dont think you could make a better choice in scopes. if its dead on at 25 meters, and isnt at 100, its most likely your ammo, try some remington 150gr scirrocos, and the core lokt ultra shoot good too.

 

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My personal rule on scopes is that the scope should cost 2 x the rifle cost.  I've learned the hard way that cheap scopes are not worth the money saved.
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theres a fine line between ceap scopes, and bad scopes. soem awesome scopes can be had for 200 bucks, the scope doesnt have to cost twice the rifles value, thats simply insane, i can see spending money on good optics, but not twice the price of the rifle.

 

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Originally posted by acearch72 acearch72 wrote:

My personal rule on scopes is that the scope should cost 2 x the rifle cost.  I've learned the hard way that cheap scopes are not worth the money saved.

 

I have heard that rule of thumb several times. 

If I would have followed it, I would have severely financially limited myself in purchases over the years.  I don't own a scope that lists over $800 and have rifles that ran near $2000 with $400 optics on them.  It also comes down to utility, I own some ~$1000 tactical rifles that have absolutely no need for a $2000 piece of glass.

 

I think there are plently of smart buys out there in the $400-$600 range were a person is not making any compromise. The 4200 Elite, Leupold, and SS come to mind.  Perhaps even some Sightrons.  For the $300 range that might be the place to look for a variable power. I know some tactical guys who call Sightrons "the best kept secret in optics".

 

 



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Every one has their own opinion on this, and I can't disagree with what anyone else want's to believe or do.  That's what makes the good ole USA great. 

 

However, when I have hunted long and hard, and maybe paid lots of money to hunt, for a trophy animal, and I get that one chance, and just because I am looking towards the sun and the scope flashes out, or it fogs up in the rain or snow, or I can't see good enough to take the shot because it doesn't have enough light gathering capability, that $300 or so that I saved don't look so good anymore.

 

Of course, this is only my opinion, but it did not come without some of the above mentioned experiences.

 

By the way, I was not talking about custom rifles here, I was referring to standard off the shelf rifles.  I have a $2500 Kleingunther K15 that has a Leupold Vari-X III on it, and I have never been dissapointed.  But I also have a Savage that I started out with a Swift Premier on (really not so cheap) and after 3 replacements I sold it and went to a Zeiss Conquest.

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If you are 100% convinced that the scope is properly mounted and secured, I would lean toward a bad scope. I don't mean that the Leupold model you bought is a bad scope, but it is possible that you got a bad scope in particular. Even Leupold can have a bad one get out there facility. Also, what is your bore cleaning regiment. Will your dealer allow you to return the scope for another? Just asking, probably not, because it has been mounted already. But, nothing ventured, nothing gained as I always say. Just because the dealer installed the scope( twice) doesn't rule out a mounting issue. What type of mounts are on the gun?( Just for the heck of it ). If you don't have th following, get them before any further wasted ammo.

 

1. A quality coated one pc. cleaning rod.

2. Quality bore brushes and cotton patches.

3. A bottle of Shooter's Choice bore solvent( Butch's Bore Clean or Montana X-Treme will do as well ).

4. Read and follow the instructions, no short cuts.

5. Report findings to this site. The regulars who participate in this forum WILL get you back on track!!!

P.S. Almost forgot. A cleaning rod guide w/ O ring.



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What Roy Finn said;

Also, did the loss of shot placement develop right when you mounted the scope or was it present before?  If before, (or either way) I would inspect your rifle's muzzle crown. I don't want to get into the horror stories.

 

I can easily spend a hour before I commit to torquing down the rings. Different shooting positions present different conditions and I find it a chore to find a compromise between them. I can't see someone else doing that for me.   If the crown checks out, be conscience of the eye relief when you position for a shot. Do you keep full sight picture up to the the time of release? It is common to compromise developed position for a full sight picture and then naturally back off when you ultimately commit to the shot. The scope may not be positioned adequately to your natural and developed head placement. 

 

For bore break-ins and routine de-fouling I've been turned on to "Wipe-Out" foaming copper bore cleaner. Saves a ton of work. 

 

Hope you figure it out soon, sounds frustrating.



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ROY FINN & BOOMHOLSER THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONCERNS

YOUR INFO IS A GREAT HELP.

AS FAR AS MOUNTS THEY ARE LEUPOLD TWO PIECE.

MY SHOOTING REGIMENT INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING

1. CLEAN RIFLE TO REMOVE ANY OILS FROM PREVIOS CLEANING.

2. SET UP AT RANGE FIRE 6-7 ROUNDS LET BARREL COOL.

3. FIRE 6-7 MORE ROUNDS LET BARREL COOL AND CLEAN.

4. AFTER SHOOTING CLEAN AND STORE.

I DO THIS EVERY RANGE TRIP. HONESTLY I DO NOT BELIEVE

ITS THE GUN.

REDNECKBMXER STATED AMMO MY BE THE PROBLEM

HE MY VERY WELL BE RIGHT.

I PLAN ON TRYING DIFFERENT BRANDS AND GRAINS

WHEN TIME ALLOWS.

IM REALLY NOT READY TO BLAME THE LEUPOLD YET.

MY LAST THREAD MY HAVE COME ACROSS A BIT

HARSH AND ONE SIDED AGAINST THE LEUPOLD

I WAS VERY FRUSTRATED AS YOU CAN IMAGINE

I DID NOT MEAN TO OFFEND ANYONE.

ILL KEEP YOU POSTED ON MY FINDINGS.       SEE YA!!!  

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ok, i hope everything works out.

 

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Grumpy, sounds like you are doing everything correct. If you are going to switch ammo, may I suggest a factory load with a 180 gr. Nosler BT. Your rifle should have a 1-10" twist barrel and from my past experiences have been very good with the 30/06 and your 700. If is does not improve your delema, I would be looking at the scope, even though it is a Leupold. Boomholzer bought up a good point with regards to crown on the barrel which is easily checked. It is possible that it could have been damaged during bore sighting. Good luck and keep us posted!!!
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When is the last time this barrel was seriously cleaned to bare steel?Remington factory barrels are hammer forged.Which IMHO stresses the hell out of a barrel,not to mention that the bore surface is usually rough as a cob.Assuming that action screws are snug,scope mounts etc.I would clean the barrel.Cleaning gear is NOT where you pinch pennies.A quality coated rod,bore guide,quality bore brushes,jags & patches.No cheapy WalMart crap.Use a good quality bore cleaner such as Butch's,Montana Extreme,Barnes CR-10 etc.Clean till all patches come out clean.Then get you some Sweet's 7.62 follow the directions on the bottle to the letter.Failure to do so will probably damage the barrel.If your barrel is a "fouler" the first patch w/ Sweet's will be blue.That's copper jacket material.Keep cleaning until it's all removed.I've seen some that were so bad it took 12 passes w/ Sweets.Dry patch all the Sweets out the barrel,liberally oil the bore.Before shooting again dry patch the oil from bore & make damn sure there's no oil in the chamber.Also your going to have to find a load your rifle likes.There's no reason that with a good load your rifle can't put 3-5 rounds in 1-1/2" or less @ 100yds.

 I have a1972 vintage Rem700 also '06.After 15 shots groups open up to the point you think you were using buckshot.Clean it & it's a sub-MOA shooter again.Good luck.Remember rifles are like people,all you do is listen,sooner or latter they'll tell you what the problem is.Muzzle crown should be smooth no dings etc.Let us know how you come out.Substitute a known good scope & try that too.More than one scope's been kinked on mounting.

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Having access to a rest like this:

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/zoom/largepop.asp?i=85417_ts. JPG&c=

Will seriously help in your troubleshooting process.  Maybe a buddy or a local shop can loan you one.

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THATS A FINE LOOKING BENCH REST.

I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT

IM SURE THAT IT WOULD CORRECT ALL MY SHOOTING ERORS.

I DID FIND TIME TODAY TO GO BACK TO THE RANGE

I TRIED TWO DIFFERENT BRANDS OF AMMO

1. FEDERAL 150 GRAIN SOFT POINT

2. WINCHESTER 150 GRAIN POWER POINT

THE FEDERAL WAS ALL OVER THE PLACE

THE WINCHESTER DONE PRETTY WELL, FOR SOME REASON

MY RIFLE LIKES WINCHESTER AMMO, IVE TRIED RIMINGTON,HORNADY

AND FEDERAL THE WINCHESTER OUT SHOOTS THEM IN MY RIFLE.

AFTER SOME REAL CLOSE PAYING ATTENTION MY GROUPS

ARE GETTING BETTER ID SAY MAYBE AN 1" TO AN 1.5"

IM STILL HAVING PROBLEMS SEEING THOSE THIN CROSS HAIRS

THE HAIRS ON MY SIMMONS WERE SURE EAISER TO SEE.

IM GOING OUT SUN. IF THINGS DONT GET BETTER I MIGHT

SEND THE SCOPE IN TO BE CHECKED.

AND YES THIS GUN IS ABOUT DUE FOR A BIG TIME SCRUBING.

                                         THANKS FOR THE INFO!!!!!!!        & nbsp;

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