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Hello.  I am looking for a scope for my new Remington 700 sps camo 30-06.  What would you guys recommend for $300 or less.  I will be hunting primarily deer and hogs in Texas, but would like it to be as versatile as possible for other hunting opportunities I might get in the future.
 
I have been looking at the Leupold VX-1, 3-9X50.  Is that a good one for the money?
 
Also, what are the advantages/disadvantages to a 50mm scope?  I have heard that you might not be able to cheek a rifle with a 50mm scope because you have to use high rings to mount it.  Is that true?  If so, that may be enough to keep me from getting a 50mm.
 
Any thoughts/recommendations you guys have would be great!  Thanks!
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Originally posted by AimingHigh AimingHigh wrote:

Hello.  I am looking for a scope for my new Remington 700 sps camo 30-06.  What would you guys recommend for $300 or less.  I will be hunting primarily deer and hogs in Texas, but would like it to be as versatile as possible for other hunting opportunities I might get in the future.
 
I have been looking at the Leupold VX-1, 3-9X50.  Is that a good one for the money?
 
Also, what are the advantages/disadvantages to a 50mm scope?  I have heard that you might not be able to cheek a rifle with a 50mm scope because you have to use high rings to mount it.  Is that true?  If so, that may be enough to keep me from getting a 50mm.
 
Any thoughts/recommendations you guys have would be great!  Thanks!
..................I`ll cut to the chase!! The best scope for the money in a 3x9, will be the Elite 4200 w/ Rainguard. Much better than the VX1.... Stick with the 40mm obj. bell. There will only be a fractions difference in any light gathering with a 50mm. The 50`s are more expernsive, heavier and have a higher profile......Go with the 3x9 4200 for the best possible value out there....................Wink
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Unfortunately, the words "Leupold" and "good for the money"  are not COMPATIBLE.  Bucky
 
Leupolds are good scopes.....but "FOR THE MONEY"....well,  BUSHNELL 4200 and Nikon and Sightron will work.....Leupold only works if you want a Leupold and don't care that they are ripping you off----you will wind up with a good, durable, pretty scope that works good......you'll just be paying more than the guy next to you who is using a Fantastic Bushnell 4200.......Shocked  
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Yeh, I'd opt for the Nikon Primos or Bushnell 4200 also !!
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4200 elite 3-9X at SWFA 249.95 You can't beat it. The team Primos as well as cbm suggests. Either are great especially for the duckage.
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It's been said----4200 Elite !
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Why a 3-9 vs a 2-8?  I would think target acquisition wou
ld be better with a lower power scope.  Will you be hunting hogs at night?

What scope has better resale Leupold or Bushnell?  
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resale?? who would want to get rid of a 4200??
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Well, you can ALWAYS sell a Leupold!!!   They come after you like DAWN OF THE EVIL DEAD ZOMBIES with their arms out-- carrying money!!!  But who buys a scope for RESALE Value?? 
( I don't even give a damn if its got a guarantee Shocked----but I'm from the old days where stuff was SUPPOSED TO WORK......y'know---you buy a hammer and you figure its not gonna break!! )   
 
So the correct answer is:  Leupold..... 
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 In my opinion .... a 4200 smokes a VX-1 .... as well do the Nikons . Remember aiminghigh ... those vx-1 's are the bottom end of leupolds .

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Based on the recommendations so far, I am strongly leaning towards the Bushnell Elite 4200 3-9X40.  Had a few questions about it:
 
1.  What type of flip-up scope covers would you recommend for this scope? 
One of the things I like about the Leupold is that it had covers that would screw in and be secure.  I have used covers that slide on to each end of the scope, but then also slide around and get in the way once it flips open.
 
2.  Is Bushnell discontinuing this 4200 model now the 6500 has come out? 
If so, is there any reason why that would be a negative thing?
 
Thanks for all your help so far!
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Originally posted by AimingHigh AimingHigh wrote:

Based on the recommendations so far, I am strongly leaning towards the Bushnell Elite 4200 3-9X40.  Had a few questions about it:
 
1.  What type of flip-up scope covers would you recommend for this scope? 
One of the things I like about the Leupold is that it had covers that would screw in and be secure.  I have used covers that slide on to each end of the scope, but then also slide around and get in the way once it flips open.
 
2.  Is Bushnell discontinuing this 4200 model now the 6500 has come out? 
If so, is there any reason why that would be a negative thing?
 
Thanks for all your help so far!
...................Never had covers on my former 4200. But I`d go with the flip up`s by Butler...............Whether the 3x9 4200 is discontinued or not,,,, get that scope anyway! You`ll still be covered by the warranty. Its a great scope for the buckos.
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I you order them here http://www.swfa.com/pc-7280-185-bushnell-3-9x40-elite-4200-rifle-scope.aspx you will be asked if you want the Butler Creeks on the second page of your shopping basket. Great choice, BTW.
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Well, first let me thank all of you that have offered advice thus far.  It has really helped me learn alot about scopes.  I appreciate your patience as I learn and ask questions.
 
I was just about settled in on a Bushnell 4200 when I noticed that the Nikon Primos was actually $100 cheaper.  I know some of you recommended the Primos but I was looking at it as though it were the same price as the 4200.
 
So, for $199.95 is the Nikon Primos 3-9X40 (aka Nikon Monarch) a better deal for the money?  I know they both look to be excellent scopes.  And from my novice eyes it looks like the two are pretty comparable in features, quality, etc. 
 
It basically seems like I could could Monarch quality at Buckmaster pricing.  And just about get 4200 quality for $100 cheaper in the Primos, without much compromise.
 
Thanks again for any thoughts you may have...
 
 
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  AH,you can look at it that way OR you can look at it as getting a scope (4200 Elite) that is almost at the performance level of the Zeiss Conquest for $250 less than the Zeiss. Just an opinion.
 
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My Vote is for the 3-9x 4200.  I have two of them and am completely satisfied with them as a hunting scope.  They have great optics and I really enjoy using them.  Great scope for the money.
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I had the exact same question from a guy at work today. I recommended the Bushnell. Going on a Mauser converted to 25-06.
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Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

  AH,you can look at it that way OR you can look at it as getting a scope (4200 Elite) that is almost at the performance level of the Zeiss Conquest for $250 less than the Zeiss. Just an opinion.
 
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Who has actually compared the 4200 to the Conquest in daylight, dusk and night time (full moon) conditions?  I understand there was a comparison of the major scopes in Finland ( I think) for dusk and night time hunting conditions.  I dont know how the 4200 performed.
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   Doug,search-SWFA scope scale. This formal comparison plus posts by people on this forum and other forums say their results from hands on experiences show the 4200 series scopes compare favorably with the Conquest series.
 
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To settle a disagreement, a friend and I recently compared his 3x9 4200 to my Conquests, both 3.5x10, 44.  We looked at black print on a red box a lawnmower came in.  The print was about 2 inches tall and about 1/2 inche wide.  We placed the box at a distance of about 50 yards. 
 
We cut the box into two pieces.  We put one in full sun and the second into a shaded area.  We began in mid-afternoon and made periodic observations until we could no longer distinguish the black print from the red background, which was too late to shoot, IMO.  It was, by my assessment, dark; by his "just before dark."  I'm 65 and he is 45.  We had only a bit of moon showing. 
 
Both he and I could read the print with the Conquests about 10 to 12 minutes longer than with the 4200, both in the open and in the shade.  That said, we could see well enough to shoot beyond reasonable light with the 4200.  We lost the ability to see the print in the shade about 20 minutes before we lost the ability in the open.  
 
As you can see, this was not a scientifically controlled experiment for many reasons. Perhaps a bit of apples vs oranges.  Just general viewing through the scopes convinced us that my Conquests had better resolution than his 4200.  While I thought the color was more vibrant, more true, for the Conquests, he could not discern a difference.  We agreed that my Conquests were a bit better than his 4200.  Other scopes might have fared differently.
 
As regards the test done in Finland, check the following website:
 
 
 
 
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I'll go with either the Primos or the 4200, NOT the VX I.  Deciding factors may be the pricing, or the type of reticle you may wish to have.  Good luck.
 
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      THANKS for the info Tom!  Your results are similar to what I've read from others who have compared those two series of scopes.  I really wouldn't say apples vs oranges. Every so often a product is introduced to the public that just performs all out of proportion to it's price. As is the Elite 4200 3-9x40 and why it's being touted as the best value in a scope.  I would never suggest that the 4200 is the equal of the Conquest but as you and others have said,the Conquest is a bit better than the 4200.  This is what the people who contributed to the development of the SWFA scope scale found out and so placed the two in the same position on the scale along with two Nikon series of scopes.
     Been wanting to take a look at that Finland test. THANKS again.
 
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Originally posted by Gunshow75 Gunshow75 wrote:

To settle a disagreement, a friend and I recently compared his 3x9 4200 to my Conquests, both 3.5x10, 44.  
 


Thanks, Great first hand information....

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