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Wow Now even I can be a long range expert!  Batteries don't fail me now! Wink
 
 
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the guy wasn't even looking and go a hit!!!
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I recently had an early-access look, it is cool, but...
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In a few days, you'll get to see the price.  DO NOT be drinking something when you take a look.


It is an interesting concept, similar in many ways to what others have done (imagine a Kestrel weather station on a Burris Eliminator.) What I am uncertain of is the trigger mechanism.  You pull the trigger and the gun does not go bang  UNTIL the locked on target is in the reticle center.

Here's the part I dislike the most: the rifle and optic are battery-operated.  When the battery dies, the rifle becomes a stick or a hammer or a boat oar.  Nice, huh?

It is an interesting product, and will be a step in the evolution of modern small arms.  I won't be buying one, or wanting one, but I have more interest in this than in a Huskemaw setup - and both are making about the same claims.
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Regardless of what anyone thinks of it, this technology is in use by our military RIGHT NOW.  I can zero a weapon at a very short distance and bring extremely accurate fire at much greater ranges than implied in that video.  Tracking Point has taken it to "the next level" in personal weapons.  Right now, I have a backpack carried solar panel that I can charge the batteries for a device like this while charging my cell phone, a radio, and an iPod.  Are there limitations, sure.  There are limitations with a conventional rifle that exceed the limitations of a device like this.  Is it fully perfected... NO, but they will get there.  Things like this are changing... and have changed... the way we conduct warfare.  It's an evolution that will happen, no matter what. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CROWS#CROWS_specification_highlights
This technology is reminiscent of an episode from the original Star Trek series where wars are fought by computer simulation and loss of life is remote, detached and meaningless.  I love technology, but sometimes in the hands of "man" it is very unsatisfying... we have a lot of growing to do to be ready for this.  However, it IS here...
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Kinda tak'n the "fair" and "sport" out of the equation... while adding accuracy??
 
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  Okay I'll report to the disintegration camber now... Bucky
 
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Regardless of what anyone thinks of it, this technology is in use by our military RIGHT NOW.  I can zero a weapon at a very short distance and bring extremely accurate fire at much greater ranges than implied in that video.  Tracking Point has taken it to "the next level" in personal weapons.  Right now, I have a backpack carried solar panel that I can charge the batteries for a device like this while charging my cell phone, a radio, and an iPod.  Are there limitations, sure.  There are limitations with a conventional rifle that exceed the limitations of a device like this.  Is it fully perfected... NO, but they will get there.  Things like this are changing... and have changed... the way we conduct warfare.  It's an evolution that will happen, no matter what. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CROWS#CROWS_specification_highlights
This technology is reminiscent of an episode from the original Star Trek series where wars are fought by computer simulation and loss of life is remote, detached and meaningless.  I love technology, but sometimes in the hands of "man" it is very unsatisfying... we have a lot of growing to do to be ready for this.  However, it IS here...
 
I liked the episode where the guy just changed the channel to his enenmy and pushed a button.... poof no more enemy!  If only that existed!  What barry qwe have no stinking barry!!!! Smile
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I wonder what range theyre at. It looks like its near Red Rock... I dont live too far from there...

 
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I saw this thing at SHOT yesterday.

They are trying to market it to incompetent shooters as an easy tool to get hits at 1000 yards.

Interestingly, they kinda wave off the effects of wind as if those don't matter.

In principle, it is a badly executed version of what the military uses except made with components available for civilians.

I stood there for a bit and listened to their pitch.  I really did not like their attitude.

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Hey ILya!!!! 
 
I played around with the Mosin 91/30.  Polished the sear and removed a small burr from the bolt where the sear engages it.  Someone had already shimmed teh sear so I left it that way just cleaned it.  Cleaned a ring of hard nasty crud from the bolt face.  The trigger is much better now and the bolt goes into battery much smoother then it had been.
 
Took her to the range and tried 182gr match ammo.  Had to resight it in since it was sited for 147G milsurp.  50yds rendered 0.3Dia 5 shot group using the Viper 2-7X32.  Went to 100yds and she was printing about 1.25MOA with my eyes and 7X. Bet she would do better If I had more maginification.  That is a heck of a lot better than teh 3MOA I was getting before.  Oh I also added a rubber buttpad so my shoulder woun't get mad at me.  She now lots of fun to shoot. 
 
Next is to get that aftermarket spring kit to stop that rattling trigger.  I'm hooked!
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Originally posted by budperm budperm wrote:

Hey ILya!!!! 
 
I played around with the Mosin 91/30.  Polished the sear and removed a small burr from the bolt where the sear engages it.  Someone had already shimmed teh sear so I left it that way just cleaned it.  Cleaned a ring of hard nasty crud from the bolt face.  The trigger is much better now and the bolt goes into battery much smoother then it had been.
 
Took her to the range and tried 182gr match ammo.  Had to resight it in since it was sited for 147G milsurp.  50yds rendered 0.3Dia 5 shot group using the Viper 2-7X32.  Went to 100yds and she was printing about 1.25MOA with my eyes and 7X. Bet she would do better If I had more maginification.  That is a heck of a lot better than teh 3MOA I was getting before.  Oh I also added a rubber buttpad so my shoulder woun't get mad at me.  She now lots of fun to shoot. 
 
Next is to get that aftermarket spring kit to stop that rattling trigger.  I'm hooked!

Hey, that crud was collectible.  It was there since 1944  Big Smile

Mosins can be addictive.  They are odd rifles, but with even a little TLC, many of them shoot quite well.

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Measures - Counter Measures   Get Your Popcorn Ready  makes me want to go fishing. 
If this was affordable this would do for shooting what happened in photography when they went from manual adjust the F stop and aperture to auto cameras --- BUT just because everyone could get correct exposure didnt mean they knew the basics or when to override the system to compensate for other factors.  One would have to be a sucker to buy it now, when computer gear changes so quickly cause next year it will be twice as good for half the price, but it wont matter then because you already cant find bullets.
 
Im actually surprised they are letting this tech out on the civilian market as it would seem to be a risk to high value targets but I have seen no indication there is common sense at play where I work. 
 
 

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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

Measures - Counter Measures   Get Your Popcorn Ready  makes me want to go fishing. 
If this was affordable this would do for shooting what happened in photography when they went from manual adjust the F stop and aperture to auto cameras --- BUT just because everyone could get correct exposure didnt mean they knew the basics or when to override the system to compensate for other factors.  One would have to be a sucker to buy it now, when computer gear changes so quickly cause next year it will be twice as good for half the price, but it wont matter then because you already cant find bullets.
 
Im actually surprised they are letting this tech out on the civilian market as it would seem to be a risk to high value targets but I have seen no indication there is common sense at play where I work. 
 
 

I do not think anyone is "letting this technology out".  From computational standpoint, this is fairly trivial and there is nothing secret about how it works.  

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These guys are located here in Austin..
They are VERY well funded, like, Forbes top 5 kind of money...

Some of my buddies have been out on the range with them during development over the last year.

I am going to hook up with them in a few weeks and shoot with them for the fun of it..

They are going after the guys with a lot more money than me!

The wind is always going to be the deciding factor in long range and is by far the hardest thing to master.. 


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Sooner or later an affordable sensor, sensitive enough to read airborne dust partials and the capability to sweep a focal point from muzzle to target... After that it's just math...  Probably already something exists that will do so... Just not cost effective and or the application hasn't occurred to the right people yet.
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They mentioned they are working on it...
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