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After a range session yesterday I noticed the scope is moving in the rings
 
 
They are Talley rings and bases and the rings were torqued down to 20#.  I applied additional torque to 30# (about all I will be able to get without stripping out the torx screw heads) and marked the scope to look for additional movement
 
 
My question is:  if the scope continues to move, what solutions are there?  I would not want to change the base and rings unless absolutely necessary and would not want to epoxy or apply anything that would be a solution that could not be reversed.
 
What have you used?
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I have experienced the same kind of movement and the re torque cured it, but on an other ordeal I applied lock tight between the scope and rings ,it's still that way ...all is good.
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Yea, I remember a fine line between loose and not moving when I mounted a set of Talley fixed ring and bases a few years back with a 3-9x40 Conquest.  Like rifle looney said loctite the puppy, or throw a layer of electric tape around the tube before tightening the rings...
 
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Thanks
 
I was thinking red loctite, was wondering if it will take off the finish.
 
How about something that will stay soft like gasket seal?
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I used red bottle locktite which is actually blue, but is is pretty much the same. it is not to hard to remove, it will just kinda flake off when needed.  dont know about the gasket stuff?
which ever you choose good luck, and shoot often!
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I'd contact Gary at Talley before half assing some Loctite fix between the scope tube and the rings, my friend. 
 
RED Loctite is more permanent than BLUE Loctite, as a rule too.  
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Yes sir that is most likely the best option ? but the other suggestions... not really classified as half a@#.just every day remedies.that work,and I actually got this info out of a most famous gun mag.  no offense intended.
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I'm sorry, I didn't mean to come off like it sounded. No offense toward you fellas, I know your just trying to help sako.
 
I just don't subscribe to "electrical tape" and Loctite on a scope tube as a fix. Especially on a high end scope like sako's Kahles.  
That's more like treating the symptom, but not the disease. YMMV
 
 


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I wouldn't use tape or any other friction reducing measures. There is still a gap on those rings.
30in/lbs gets distributed over a fairly large surface area. I would tighten it up some.
My Talleys are holding on a .375 H&H with no problems. That .338 of any flavor should not be letting the scope move, either.
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Thanks for the help.

Is there a certain sequence to tightening the rings?  With Talleys I usually tighten the base screws snug and then the rings to the torque value and then the base screws to their torque value.  I don't recall any instructions that came with the rings.
 
I think I'll monitor it for a while and then decide what to do.
 
Oddly enough the rifle did not lose zero
 


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Originally posted by sakomato sakomato wrote:

Is there a certain sequence to tightening the rings? 
 
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Originally posted by sakomato sakomato wrote:

Is there a certain sequence to tightening the rings? 
 
 
Hey cheaptrick
 
My Adobe won't read that link, says it can't find some colors and doesn't recognize the font.  Could you give me a synopsis?
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Tighten the cap screws down evenly and in an "X" formation.
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Yeah, so that is a generic instruction for most rings which are not vertical splits like the Talley fixed rings.  On another site a poster asked if I followed the specific instructions for the Talley's and I can't remember any.  It stands to reason that you would keep the halves matched like with all rings, other than that I was wondering if I had missed something on the vertical split fixed Talley rings.  There is nothing on their site.
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Originally posted by sakomato sakomato wrote:

Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Originally posted by sakomato sakomato wrote:

Is there a certain sequence to tightening the rings? 
 
 
Hey cheaptrick
 
My Adobe won't read that link, says it can't find some colors and doesn't recognize the font.  Could you give me a synopsis?


Bob, try updating your adobe reader.

Call Gary at Talley like CT mentioned. He's great and backs up his stuff 100%. Thunbs Up 
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I forgot, the Talleys are indeed vertical split. My bad.
I'd still call Talley tomorrow and ask him.
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Sako, please post the results on you're ring ordeal for us to use in future needs thanks...
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For what it's worth the talley fixed rings scratched the hell out of my conquest, thus the idea of electrical tape, maybe save on ring marks, ( I didn't lap the rings so.. ) and it was the first time mounting a scope in Talleys.  Sorry,  probably not a good idea but no doubt give a call.  Didn't mean to make light of your problem, shouldn't be moving around like you say it is.  I experienced a deal where the scope was loose at a certain amount of revolutions of the screws, then a little more of a turn all was tight and I couldn't tighten anymore even if I wanted to.  Even buggered up the lower screw but asked Talley for another and they promptly sent me a new one on them, excellent customer service there.  Good mounts though, just a little tricky in my opinion. 



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Personally, I wouldn't use any of the Loctite products as they will stain the scope tube finish. A trick I use I learned from a smith at Griffin & Howe was to use baseball pitcher's rosin on the inside of the scope rings. Grips the scope tight and doesn't marr the finish. Also, you could try the ring tape that Burris used to make which is much thinner than electical tape and was designed for these types of applications.
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Both rosin and the Burris tape work very well. The gasket stuff is called Form-A-Gasket, I believe, and is a kind of sophisticated rubber cement that won't stick to the scope or rings, but holds them pretty well. As matter of fact, even the cheap rubber cement we used as kids in school will often help hold scopes very well, and comes off, the reason they let use it in school: It came off of us and other stuff real easily.
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I just noticed something on the rings. It looks like there is a gap at the bttom.
Talleys are supposed to be tightened all the way at the bottom before following up at the top. Maybe that will help.
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Yeah, it should.

Talleys are very precisely made and if something goes wrong I tend to look elsewhere than with their rings.

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SO! there you have it guys John says it is ok to put goop and stuff on your scope and rings albeit he did not say anything about Loctite????? John is this a NO..NO! for I am guilty.
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The Talleys are closed as tight as possible on the bottom.  I have shot the rifle once since re-torquing the rings (farmer tight Big Grin) and the scope did not move.  Plan to shoot it Saturday morning stetching some new cases so will let you know.
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