![]() |
![]() ![]() |
Visit the SWFA.com site to check out our current specials. |
Scope Marlin 336 ? |
Post Reply ![]() |
Page 12> |
Author | |
drum ![]() Optics GrassHopper ![]() Joined: January/23/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 15 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posted: February/05/2007 at 18:31 |
Would like a scope for a new Marlin 336. I'll be White Tail hunting
most shots under 100 yards some low light conditions. I want to stay
somewhat compact. But have really wanted to try the Elite 4200. I like
the features, Rain Guard, Firefly and have heard great things about the
quality of this scope. But it does seem to be a bit large, 15.4 oz.,
12.8" length. What do you guys think? I havn't hunted with a Lever
action gun before and just don't know what would be best on it. Any
other recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks.
|
|
![]() |
|
drum ![]() Optics GrassHopper ![]() Joined: January/23/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 15 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Sorry, I forgot to specify, Elite 1.5-6X36 was what I'd been looking at.
Thanks |
|
![]() |
|
Dolphin ![]() Optics Master ![]() Joined: October/05/2006 Location: North Carolina Status: Offline Points: 1795 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
That would be a great scope, but I would personally put it on see through mounts. Alot of guys on this forum will argue with me on this point, but if you are hunting in brush, in a tree stand, taking shots at less than 100 yards, iron sights will become important. On my 336 30-30, I have a 32 mm 4x Burris. The small objective keeps it mounted low, with the low see through mounts and when I pull the gun to my cheek, to look through the scope, I need no adjustment, it is perfect. So maybe you should go for a 4x scope, in a smaller objective, with low see through mounts. I usually group, 1 and 1/5 inches at 100 yards with the 4x Burris. Not bad for a Lever action, with all the built in problems for accuracy. |
|
![]() |
|
smitty ![]() Optics Apprentice ![]() Joined: January/29/2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 103 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The Elite 4200 scopes are excellent as are the Nikon Monarch scopes which happen to be on sale right now at SWFA. The 336 is a very nice rifle. I've been using the 336S ever since it first came out.
As far as the scope is concerned, for deer hunting and shots under 100 yards this rifle doesn't need the scope. Practise with the iron sights and you will be impressed with how accurate you can be.
The reasons I don't like a scope on this rifle is the stock's drop at the comb is designed for use with the iron sights. Adding a scope will require that you raise the comb to match the height that the center of the scope is above the sighting line of the iron sights. if you use a 20mm scope, you would need to raise the comb 1/2" plus the hight of the rings which will be approx. 1".
If you don't raise the comb your eye will not line up with the scope and you will miss your chance at shooting that deer or worse, you will miss the shot and hope the bullet stops in a tree.
The padded cheek rests that velcro onto the butt add only ~1/4" to the comb and add weight to the stock.
2nd reason is that it balances extremely well without the scope. It also carrys very nicely.
Sorry for not supporting the scope idea but adding a scope does nothing to improve the rifle and changes it's beautiful characteristics.
The only improvement that I would make would be to replace the stock trigger with a WildWest trigger.
Smitty. |
|
![]() |
|
smitty ![]() Optics Apprentice ![]() Joined: January/29/2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 103 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Sorry Dolphin, If you need see thru mounts you are hunting with the wrong rifle. Your chin must be sitting on top of the comb for your eye to line up behind the scope. That's a very poor solution.
Smitty
Edited by smitty |
|
![]() |
|
drum ![]() Optics GrassHopper ![]() Joined: January/23/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 15 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Thanks folks, for all the input it really helps. I'm just use to hunting with Remington 700's.
|
|
![]() |
|
Dolphin ![]() Optics Master ![]() Joined: October/05/2006 Location: North Carolina Status: Offline Points: 1795 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Please read word for word what I said and you will notice, if you read closely, that everything I said agrees with you. When I personally place my rifle to my cheek, with the scope and rings I have, I need no adjustment to see through the scope properly. Read my words carefully. |
|
![]() |
|
Dogger ![]() Optics Jedi Master ![]() ![]() Joined: January/02/2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Status: Offline Points: 8329 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Drum, RMS has a good suggestion, very compact scope. From personal experience & depending on your budget you may want to look at the Bushnell Trophy 1.75-4x32. I have been impressed with the performance & really like the Circle-X reticle for close in shooting. It's slightly less than 11" & weighs in at just over 10 oz. FOV is comparable to the Leupold at 73' - 30' and exit pupil varies from 18 - 8mm so is pretty bright in low light.
Can't guess how it would fit on your rifle but on my Ruger carbine with low mounts it lines up perfect - was using peep sight before. |
|
God save the Empire!
|
|
![]() |
|
jonbravado ![]() Optics Master ![]() ![]() Joined: October/05/2006 Status: Offline Points: 1131 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
i just purchased the 4x40 monarch UCC on sale at www.swfa.com for MY marlin 336 30/30.
i could not be happier. it's perfect for lowlight (HUGE exit pupil) very bright / plenty compact / easy target aquisition sits quite low on the gun. and did i mention that it's PERFECT power for the under 125yrds that you would shoot w/ a 30/30.
i am thinking of buying a couple more of these for the price (179 or so?) - you can't go wrong w/ this fixed power scope.
simple, tough, and super bright.
my 2 cents.
J Edited by jonbravado |
|
![]() |
|
tahqua ![]() MODERATOR ![]() ![]() Have You Driven A Ford Lately? Joined: March/27/2006 Location: Michigan, USA Status: Offline Points: 9019 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
A compact scope, a fixed or variable, compliments a 30.30 nicely. I would not go too big like the 4200's are. The 336 is a nice handling and compact rifle and to throw a huge scope on it changes that. The 4x40 Nikon has to be a very nice scope, though the objective is a little large. You can move your head around a bit more in the tight stuff and it is really bright. I would like to see a pic of John's 336 since he is happy. That might be the way to go. If you don't like the look, a 4x32 is nice, like the IOR. |
|
![]() |
|
jonbravado ![]() Optics Master ![]() ![]() Joined: October/05/2006 Status: Offline Points: 1131 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
i will try and get a pic or two of my marlin for you. it sits low and looks good to me. i had a 50mm mounted on there (too big) and used the same weaver rings to set this one up and it's just about perfect for me.
i will try to get you a pic soon.
J |
|
![]() |
|
jonbravado ![]() Optics Master ![]() ![]() Joined: October/05/2006 Status: Offline Points: 1131 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
also, in response to smitty:
i had iron sights and the gun was spot on. i had a 32mm and the gun was spot on. i then put a 50mm scope and the gun was spot on. i now have a 40mm on there and it's still spot on.
this gun has killed more deer/varmints than all my other rifles/guns combined.
i haven't had a problem w/ the scope vs iron sights in the least. it's always been very comfortable to shoot in any setup. several folks have borrowed this gun from me and had the same results. nothing but rave reviews.
i absolutely cherish the 30/30 lever action, it is always a pleasure to hold and shoot.
good luck.
J
J
|
|
![]() |
|
tahqua ![]() MODERATOR ![]() ![]() Have You Driven A Ford Lately? Joined: March/27/2006 Location: Michigan, USA Status: Offline Points: 9019 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
You're lucky to have a 336 that is a natural for a scope. Are your iron sights the standard ones that came with it? My Win 94 is an older model and will never see glass. It doesn't even have the angle eject. I might put an aperture on it since it is so nice to carry. For $50 this gun was a no brainer to buy, though. |
|
![]() |
|
jonbravado ![]() Optics Master ![]() ![]() Joined: October/05/2006 Status: Offline Points: 1131 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
they are standard sights - it's about 25-30 years old, i think.
i don't use see-through mounts, so i just left them alone.
a 30/30 doesn't NEED a scope per say , until you want to use it in the lowlight.
that WAS a good buy. i'll give you 75 for it, cash........
J |
|
![]() |
|
Dolphin ![]() Optics Master ![]() Joined: October/05/2006 Location: North Carolina Status: Offline Points: 1795 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
J, you are exactly right. If the rifle is comfortably for you, with whatever set-up, that is all that counts. You know, they did not drill and tap the receiver for no reason. Actually, I think my Burris may be a 28 mm objective. I would have to get it out and check. What Smitty does not understand is that, where I hunt, eastern NC treestands, that may be in dense woods, the see through sights are needed and if that same day you move to another stand with a potential for a longer shot, you have the scope. The rifle as it is is very comfortable for viewing from the iron sights or the scope, since it has a small objective (it does not sit that high and if it did and was still comfortable, like your 50 mm objective scopes), thats all that counts. Different people are different. Sounds obvious. And as you said J, mine is right on at 100 yards with iron sights or the scope. It is a 1 year old 336, 30-30. |
|
![]() |
|
drum ![]() Optics GrassHopper ![]() Joined: January/23/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 15 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Thanks for all the feedback. I found a Nikon Monarch 1-4x20 shotgun
scope on the sale list here. What do you guys think of this for Marlin
30/30. Very compact 9.9 oz, 9.7". 20 mm might be a tad small for low
light at 4 power but should be able to mount very low. Allso is the
fact that it's a "shotgun scope" going to affect its' use. Just read
the parallax is set 75 yrds, how will that affect use for deer hunting
shots 25 to 100yards?
Edited by drum |
|
![]() |
|
Tip69 ![]() Optics Master Extraordinaire ![]() ![]() Tip Stick Joined: September/27/2005 Location: Nebraska Status: Offline Points: 4155 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
the parallax won't be a problem... not sure about the rest. I'd vote for a 4X32
|
|
take em!
|
|
![]() |
|
Dogger ![]() Optics Jedi Master ![]() ![]() Joined: January/02/2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Status: Offline Points: 8329 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Drum, I shoot my "shootgun" scope at 100 yds with no parallax problem. Like the idea of the low power variable here since you stated most shots would be inside of 100. If you have a deer popup at 50 ft think the fixed is going to limit your view substantially. If you hunt to 1/2 hour after sunset should be ok with the 20mm obj. and it won't over power the look of your rifle too much.
|
|
God save the Empire!
|
|
![]() |
|
jonbravado ![]() Optics Master ![]() ![]() Joined: October/05/2006 Status: Offline Points: 1131 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
it won't be a good lowlight scope, i'm afraid.
here is a pic or two of my 336 w/ the 4x40 on it.
it mounts quite low and i am very pleased w/ it. and it's excellent in lowlight. as you can see the weaver mounts i have could be a little lower, but i just used the ones for my 50mm that were already on it (lazy?)
|
|
![]() |
|
tahqua ![]() MODERATOR ![]() ![]() Have You Driven A Ford Lately? Joined: March/27/2006 Location: Michigan, USA Status: Offline Points: 9019 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
John, your set up looks real nice. I don't care what people say about Weaver mounts, either. They may not be pretty, but I have used them for 30 years and they work, even as a detachable. From .22 all the way up to .375 H&H, they have not failed. This would be a nice set up for drum's gun. That Monarch variable would work, too. The 75 yard parallax doesn't hurt on a 30.30. I use a VarX-III 1.5-5 Leupold on a deer rifle and have not had legal shooting light problems. Either scope is an excellent bargain.
Edited by tahqua |
|
![]() |
Post Reply ![]() |
Page 12> |
Tweet
|
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions ![]() You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |