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My friend and I are just about to receive the custom ordered AR15's we will be using to shoot a lot of paper, but also coyotes here in Michigan.

I've read a lot of hunting forums that discuss optics for this purpose. Many of them say all you need (or want) is a 2x8 scope, some others claim a much higher magnification range (up to 4x16) is optimum sijce these are much smaller animals than deer.  A recent survey of Michigan hunters indicated that the average shot on coyotes here is 95-100 yards, with occasional shots of 150-200. I would greatly appreciate your expertise on the subject. Thanks.

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Welcome to Optics Talk.

How far do you anticipate shooting paper? 
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

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How far do you anticipate shooting paper? 
 
 
I would say paper mostly at 100 yards, but some shooting of pumpkins, etc. will be done out to 300 yards.
 
 
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You need to indicate how much you have to spend, before we can go forward, but for hunting, I like a low end of 3x, for most hunting scenarios. So, a 3-10x would be where I would start looking. 



 
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

You need to indicate how much you have to spend, before we can go forward, but for hunting, I like a low end of 3x, for most hunting scenarios. So, a 3-10x would be where I would start looking.  
 
Apologies, I didn't realize I had failed to mention a budget, was just focusing on nailing down the right magnification. I actually just started another thread tied to the best brands of scope to consider. Our budget is $500.00, max, and $400.00 would be better, since we have to also purchase a mount.
 
 
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My Coyote rig wears a 2-7x32 vortex viper. They are discontinued but that magnification or a 3-9 works great for me and I Coyote hunt in Wisconsin. If your going to also use the scope for bench shooting and target a 4-16 isn't going to limit you too badly but I like the lighter smaller scopes especially on an AR.
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First welcome.
I am not try trying to be rude but I might say a 3-9 is overkill.
100yards is to way to close for 9 power (for my eyes) and in a moving target situation (for me). 
 
I would suggest more field of view and I believe it will be much easier for fast target acquisition.
 
Even for the 150yard+ shot I would think the 4x should get the job done.
 
My two suggestions would be as follows:
 
 
 
This has a nice reticle that will assist you in longer distance shots.  You might not be able to print clover leafs at 100yards but if you hold steady and breath right a 3"x3"should be doable.
 
at 1x you can co-witness your flip up irons...  Or just front post...
 
If you are wanting to do the paper thing and print holes all day than the
 
 
will do the job for you very well and is a great price.
 
Just due to the reticle again I believe they both would work extremely well for your needs.
 
If you are looking for a pointing in to the target reticle than another nice option could be:
 
 
It will let a ton of light in. and will be plenty of scope...
 
Again welcome.
 
I am really just offering my opinion and not making any statements.
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Not to over suggest or mess with your head but the best glass in that range with the best price might be:
 
 
It's $100 bucks off right now.
 
Happy hunting keep them out of OHIO.
 
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When you said Coyotes my first thought was a good illuminated optic like a Trijicon Accupoint or a Compact ACOG.  I prefer either the BOBRO mount or the La Rue mount. These would be my preference of scope. Low power illuminated. My son on the other hand prefers higher mangnification.  In a fixed power scope do not go over 6x and a 6x42mm scope will be bright in low light.  Any of the 1.5 to 6x scopes or 2-7 scopes or 3-9 scopes will work but an AR is a large rifle already and I find that I really like a Compact ACOG on mine. My bolt action has the 1-4 Accupoint on it for coyotes.
Trijicon 2x20 Compact Acog Rifle Scope Red Crosshair Trijicon 2x20 Compact Acog Rifle Scope
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If you are staying mostly 0-300 yds the trajectory is fairly flat at those distances look at the balistics for the ammo you wish to shoot. Select the bullet weight to match the twist of the barrel you selected.  Note bullets heavier than 77 gr will not typically load in the magazines and have to be shot single shot which is often done at longer distances 600 yd competitions are usually shot with 80 gr bullets loaded one at a time because the over all length is too long for a magazine.   I like the 75gr and 77 gr but also shoot some as light as the 60 gr AMAX bullet. The 75 and  77 retain more energy at several hundred yards.

BULLET WEIGHT / CALIBER / TWIST RATE CHART

Grain/Cal.172.204.224.243.257.264.277.284.308.338.358
17-209-10
2510
30912
33 12
35 12
37 VLD6
40 12
50-52 914
55 12
60 12
68-69 9,1013,14
75 9 14
80 8
85 7121212
90 710
100 1010 1214
105-107 8
120 1010 1215,16
130 10 14
140 91010
150 14
140-160 8101012,13
150-168 911,12,13
150-180 10,11,12
160 9
175 9
180 10,11,12
200 10,1110,1212,16
220 10
225 10,1212,16
240-250 101012
300 1012


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2-7 LEUPOLD VXR would serve you very well
No need to spend 200 for a QD mount
Leupold also makes a good solid mount as does Buriris and several others
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In your price range I agree with the 3-9 conquest. I also have a nikon monarch which I really like, and has proven to be very tough. 2-8 or 2.5-10 monarch will nicely do the job. Buy good mounts.
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I have several of the Minox ZA-5 2-10x40 scopes. I lo e their BDC reticle......one of the best I've used. The sope has great field of view at 2x, is vey sharp at 10x and has glass that is very comparable (and similar) tl the Zeiss Conquest. In fact, Minox and Conquest have replaced every Leupold I owned.

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