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How much do I have to spend to get rid of the glare?
I've got a few nikon prostaffs, a redfield revolution and a couple of vortex diamondbacks. All create a lot of strong glare or haze over in low light conditions, facing the sun or facing around 90deg away from the sun.
These scopes I have are better than the ones I used to own. Which were worth $50-70USD

Is the glare noticable less in scopes supierior to the diamonback (seeing as that's my best, optically)
or is in minimal?
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I also do a lot of spot lighting using a strong LED torch, this can create annoying glare if the light is shone at certain positions or get 'bounceback' off i.e. a tree.
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Tim,
 
Without having all the details, of how you are using the flashlight its difficult to fathom what you see.
 
With reflection, I would implement a sun shade or an ARD. One or both of these options can help reduce that.
 
I did this with mine, not a sun shade but with an ARD.
 
I'm just trying to imagine, what your seeing.
 
I will try and get you a picture of mine and you can see how it works with the objective bell.
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This is a view through the objective.
 
An angled shot of the ARD.
 
Both the components together.
 
I used the Tenebraex's ARD with Butler Creek's 27Obj.
Butler Creek Flip-Open Objective Cover Butler Creek Flip-Open Objective Cover
Stock # - 27OBJ
  • Waterproof Solid Cover System
  • Airtight to Seal Out Dust and Moisture
  • Spring Action Lid
$8.95
 
Tenebraex #3 Anti-Reflection Device Tenebraex #3 Anti-Reflection Device
Stock # - SUNGUARD3
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$13.95
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skylar

the ARD looks like it would illiminate side glare for me, I'm unsure if it works for direct glare?
Thanks for suggesting it, I have not seen them before. I just bought two OBJ Butler creek caps so it wouldn't take much to try the ARD out.

To try discribe better the glare I am seeing. It is generally a white haze that I think can be on the outside of the FOV or cover the whole image. If the objective lens is dusty or smudgy the issue will worsen, at night at least, I've not verified that by day, but assume.

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One downside to the ARD is they significantly reduce the amount of light that gets into your scope.  Meaning it will not be as bright.  I would go for a sun shade if I were you.  
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The ARD and/or sunshade will also make the image "darker" keep that in mind. 
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Tim, mate...it will directly help with direct glare.
 
How this works is the ARD, is about a 6.35mm thick. And it's AKA is kill flash. In the bush, you can use a mirror to reflect light in to tight dark areas. Your objective lens essentially will do the same thing.  When light hits it, it will reflect that light back.
 
Snipers when conducting reconnaissance will look for that in the field to detect potential threats.
 
I use it similarly, This rifle is used for predator and ferrrel pig hunting only.  Coyotes specifically are very a very timid target.  If they notice any irregularity, they are gone.  I typically hunt them early in the morning and late in the evening. Seems the sun is always on the horizon working against me.
 
Once they spot the flash or reflection from the sun on the objective glass my day is over. That is why I implemented this tool.  It has helped me be more effective on the two ranches that I help with predator control.
 
Hope this helps.
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As I normally encounter the issue in lower light situations, the ARD or sunshade doesn't sound like the perfect solution, though I'd definately like to try them out. Can a butler creek attach to a sunshade ok?
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If the OD is the same, it should.
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Originally posted by Skylar McMahon Skylar McMahon wrote:

Hope this helps.

It does, thank you.
We don't get coyotes here, perhaps why I've not seen these ARDs before, though I had seen Nikons coyote scopes (online in the US)
It sounds like it works well for you and that you work in similar lighting conditions that I would find the glare issue arise.
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I will still try a sunshade if they make one for your scopes, it will not darken your image as much as the ARD.  It just shades the side, where the ARD shades the sides and reduces the ability for light to reach the objective.  No doubt they have their place and needs.  
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I found that the diamondback is especially picky if the lens is dirty at all it flares worse. When its squeeky clean its g2g.

I don't believe there is a sunshade for the vortex but you can use a rubber band and black paper or jimmy rig a toilet paper roll or anything you can think up.
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Originally posted by Sir Hoppalot Sir Hoppalot wrote:

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To try discribe better the glare I am seeing. It is generally a white haze that I think can be on the outside of the FOV or cover the whole image. If the objective lens is dusty or smudgy the issue will worsen, at night at least, I've not verified that by day, but assume.


That is called veiling glare.

First, experiment with a sunshade (no, it does not make the image darker if it is designed right).

If that does not help, prepare to dig into you retirement account.  Good optics are costly.

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Originally posted by Skylar McMahon Skylar McMahon wrote:



When light hits it, it will reflect that light back.
 
Snipers when conducting reconnaissance will look for that in the field to detect potential threats.


Back in the day before all the cool toys, the snipers in the Corps would take riggers tape and tape the objective of the scope to prevent reflection in the field. Some like a horizontal slot cut in the tape in line with the reticle and others liked a small circle cut in the tape centered on the reticle.

When Butler Creek caps came out, they did basically the same thing without the tape, and kept the cap closed on the objective.

Binos were done in the same fashion.

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I was going to say what you could do is tape the obj bell bell, or drill a hole in the Butler Creek.
 
That's an oldie, but still a goodie.
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Originally posted by Sir Hoppalot Sir Hoppalot wrote:

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To try discribe better the glare I am seeing. It is generally a white haze that I think can be on the outside of the FOV or cover the whole image. If the objective lens is dusty or smudgy the issue will worsen, at night at least, I've not verified that by day, but assume.





Sorry for the necrobump, but I seem to be having a similar if not identical issue. I considered returning my Diamondback and getting the Redfield. But you say it has the same issue? I would describe it as a haze that starts at the bottom of the exit pupil and moves upward until it completely fills the image as I move my eye into the correct alignment with the eyepiece. It is only present at high magnification in low light, and is present regardless of the position of the sun moon or stars. It is there even after the sun is completely set. My objective lens has only been clean, so I don't k ow if dust will make it worse. Is this "veiling glare"? Is it a common problem? If I can expect the same of the Redfield and similarly priced optics then I should just keep my diamondback, since it does have otherwise nice features.
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Found an image on Google that pretty well represents what I'm seeing.[IMG]http:// [/IMG]
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Try a sunshade.

It is a common problem.  Just to be clear: you do not see this kind of image quality deterioration in good light, do you?
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It's not visible in daylight, it starts around sunset and gets worse as light continues to fade. I placed my hand over the objective to mimic a sunshade; the image darkened slightly and the glare was gone. I Jerry rigged a shade with paper and a rubber band, that didn't help. I think I would need a he'll of a long shade or block the upper 3rd of the objective with tape. Really trying to determine whether or not this scope is a turd, my other choice was the Redfield Revolution, but sir hoppalot says he has both and both have the problem, that is if he and I are seeing the same glare.
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What happens if you dial magnification down from max a little?  Say, down to 7x, for example?

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It improves a bit, but not enough till I get down to 6 or less, btw my scope is a 3-9.
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Most inexpensive scopes will do this, due to baffle issues.  Long-ish sun shade or ARD will help.

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   My fake sunshade hit the A2 front sight, so ARD is my only option if I go that way. I guess I could invest in accessories and pray for the best, or pony up and try another scope. Maybe a VX-II would e above the problem, then again maybe not. I thought the $!99 price point would be enough, not to get top of the line (I'm not that naive) but maybe free of screw ups. Scopes are definitely a tedious beast.
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