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Im in the process of purchasing a new scope for my Win Model 70 .. 300 mag..  My old one was ruined in a fire and i am looking for advice in purchasing a new one. If anyone has any advice one which brand or size in which i could buy, i am open to any advice anyone has to give. thanks
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Welcome to The OT!!

 

Budget?? 

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Well i am a senior in college, so i dont have that much to spend right now... probably 300 or less would be the right range right now.. not to much to work with, but i need to get something on there soon.
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For 100-200 yd deer hunting, I assume?

 

Tell us all you can about your requirements, my friend.

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Im usually just deer hunting with it, I plan on starting to bear hunt some and maybe make a few trips to Canada... my budget is kind of bad right now, being in college keeps you kind of hurting financially right now.. i can spend about 300
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yeah 100-200 yard deer hunting is about all I need it for. i just want something nice for it, and that im not going to have to pay an arm and an leg right now. 
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Thanks, i will take a look at that one, and if you have any other advice on other scopes feel free to let me know.. i need all the advice i can get on this one, i dont want to buy the wrong scope right now when im pretty low on the funds... thanks
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My man, that scope right I linked is a greta buy. I don't think you can get a better deal.  

 

You can't go wrong with a Monarch on your budget.

 

Good shooting!!

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Bradwvu85..............For your purpose & for general use, the 3X9 is the best all-round hunting variable & will satisfy any hunting need for your 300 Mag. I own two seperate scopes for my 300 WSM rifle. One is a conventionally mounted scope, the 3X9 Bushnell Elite 4200, the other is a 2.5X8 Nikon Monarch EER scout version that I can mount on the barrel. I have experience with both!........For the money, both the 3X9 Nikon Monarch and the Elite 4200 would be outstanding choices for your rifle. Both will be within your budget and give you a lifetime of service.........The optical clarity and resolution with the 4200 is superb. Add on the Rainguard lens feature plus this scope`s durability & construction? For the money, there is no other scope on the market that will exceed the Elite 4200....... 
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Also worth consideration.

http://www.swfa.com/pc-7280-185-bushnell-3-9x40-elite-4200-r ifle-scope.aspx

I don't know how to choose between the elite and the monarch.  Both will work fine for you.
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What about eye relief on a hard kicker like a .300 WM??

 

Some have had concerns on the 4200 about the short eye relief. Not true, Squeeze??

  

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Yes! The eye relief is a little shorter with the Elite 4200, but not enough to make a difference..... I shoot the 300 WSM in a Ruger compact Frontier 16.5" barrel, which weighs 7 lbs. 5 oz. with the scope. I have chrono`d my 200gr. reloads at 2828 fps. My 180`s at 2994 and my 150`s at 3155 fps...........Based on my 35 years experience with my old 300 Win. Mag. (full sized) Vanguard, I can assure you that my little Ruger has the same, if not more recoil. Also, I have yet to read any reports from anyone on this site, other sites, in the many reviews, where anyone has gotten scope whacked using the Elite 4200!!.......One of my shooting buddies has an Elite 4200 on his 300 WBY; no band aids yet! Martin 3175, a regular poster on this site has several Elites on his rifles including a 300 RUM & a 338 Win. Mag; no scars or band aids with him either! Dave Watson the TV host & hunter on the Outdoor Channel had an Elite 4200 on his .375. I saw that episode from Africa.........So! I will agree, that initially eye relief is a concern when you read the 4200`s specs. However, the evidence, based on actual experience, with no reports of head collisions, certainly cannot be ignored!      
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Originally posted by Big Squeeze Big Squeeze wrote:

Also, I have yet to read any reports from anyone on this site, other sites, in the many reviews, where anyone has gotten scope whacked using the Elite 4200

 

Playa PLEASE!!! 

 

http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7587&KW=42 00+eye+relief

 

In this one thread, Ufriend gets whacked. There's more reports if you want to see them..... 

 

The 4200 is optically a very good scope. The eye relief issue does keep coming back around though, Squeezer.



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Well! What can I say on that one! Interestingly though, one can blame the scope, the body/cheek position in relation to the rifle, or a combo of both. None of us were present at that particular scope whacking to critique the body/cheek position or the shooting style of that individual, which MAY have been partly to blame. We don`t know! Obviously, his experience was less than desirable.........I`m a right handed shooter. Even though I sometimes bench shoot without a rear rest with my left arm curled, not holding the rifle down or touching the rifle, I`ve never been whacked, even with max. reloads. I`m 6' 3" @ 240 lbs. Perhaps it`s possible my size gives me an advantage over a smaller person.......As the `ol saying goes. You can`t please all the people,,, all the time! But, I`m willing to bet though, that the vast majority of Elite 4200 owners have not been scope whacked!
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i have a 300 win mag and also a 300wsm and i use an older varix ii on the win mag and a burris ffii on the wsm and i havent ever been wacked by either one, i would love to put a zeiss conquest on my wsm though, a limbsaver recoil pad i found helps, i would say a good 30-40%. i love my monarch scope sighttron sii might be something to think about as well.
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Thought that I would do a little research & some scope comparisons with regard to the subject of eye relief. Specs from this site too!............The 3X9 Elite 4200 has 3.3" of eye relief................The 3X9 Monarch has 3.6" to 3.7" of eye relief,,3/10ths" to 4/10ths" of an inch difference. Not bad!..........The Meopta 3X9 Artemis 3000 has only 3" ????? (Hmmm!)...................The Meopta 3X10 Meostar R1 shows 3.1" (very interesting)................The 3X10 Weaver G/S has 3" to 3.5" (well well).................The 3X9 Swift Premier shows 3.3" to 3.5"..................The Trijicon 3X9 Accu Pt. is listed at 3.2" to 3.6" (UH OH! They put those on .375`s).................How about Kahles! A 3X9 Helia CL is listed at 3.6"..............The  3X9 Helia KX shows 3.54"....................A 3X9 Pentax Whitetail lists at 3.1" to 3.8"................A 2.8X10 Simmons A-Tec is at 3.5".......................................Excluding the Elite, when I add up the total eye relief, which includes the averages for the from & to in inches (example; 3.2 to 3.6" averages 3.4"), plus the individual readings, all 10 scopes total 33.89",,, divide by all 10 scopes, (excluding the Elite 4200),,,= 3.389" of average eye relief for all 10 scopes!...............Recognizing that some of the above scopes have a little more eye relief than others, it seems to me that with an average of 3.389", (law of averages), the Elite 4200 at 3.3", when looked at in this perspective, is right in line and on par with the others!..............Now that I have read a report with evidence of some scope whacking from the 4200, you must also conclude that there are many other scopes out there including some above, that have done some scope whacking as well!!!!......An interesting & different perspective here???....Makes you wanna go,,,hmmmm!    
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OOOOPS!...I almost forgot to include these as well........A Swaro 3X10 American shows 3.5" of eye relief...........A Swaro Pro Hunter 2.5-10X56 lists an eye relief of 3.15"............Add these two to the total eye relief in my above post and then divide by 12, we now have a new mean average of.........3.378" of average eye relief for 12 very popular scopes!......If you use the law of averages, the Elite 4200 at 3.3" is right in there with many scopes!...Conclusion? If by some small remote chance you get whacked by your 4200, try making a simple adjustment or two! 
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BLA BLA BLA ......

 

I second Cheaptricks 3-9x40 Nikon Monarch Personally I like just one step more power like the 4-16 range but Heigh I have several 3-9x40 scopes that all wish they were as nice as a Nikon Monarch. 

read my lips    4  FOUR inches of eye relief.   Should have seen the knot my 4200 put on my nephew the other day shooting my musket.

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BLA BLA BLA?.........You may think so! I did not include scopes with 4" of eye relief for a reason! The Monarch 3x9 does not have 4" of eye relief!!! Put a Monarch on the musket!
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but a zeiss conquest does

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Yes! I know Pyro.... I didn`t include that one either. The entire point of my earlier post was to show, based on the stats or specs, that compared with many other scopes, the 4200 falls right in line as far as average eye relief distance is concerned......Obviously, you can with certainty conclude, that the 4200 isn`t the only head whacker out there?? But! Whatever! I`ve never been whacked with mine, even with the recoil that I have.       
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i dont care much about eye relief any ways i just know that even with my 300's i havent ever been thumped in the face and i dont consider the loopie varix ii or the burris FFii really great scopes, i dont consider the 4200 or the monarch great scopes either, kahles makes a great scope, but if your like me its not an affordable tool, so i go with the best i can afford so i own a strong majority of nikon scopes. now a .270 win loaded with tsx's would give a guy a black eye all day!!
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Model 70 Sporter III, 300WSM, Full power loads. Weaver GS 3-10x40. 3-3.5" relief. I wear glasses. The gun fits me and my head moves with the stock on recoil. Never had a eye-relief problem with this rig (any power setting and always with full glass) or any other for the last 35 years. At this point I have to question some folks ability to hold a firearm properly when shooting. 3" is a long ways on a properly held firearm.
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