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    Posted: May/12/2009 at 01:23
Looking to purchase T3 tactical 24` in 300 win mag. Primary uses are going to be deer hunting and target shooting 400 meters and plus.
I`m looking at Trijicon 2.5-10x56mm AccuPoint 30mm with Mil-Dot Crosshair w/ Green Dot (900$) or Zeiss 3.5-10x50mm Conquest Rapid Z 600 (850$).

I am new into big scope shooting and will have to learn a lot about numerous factors affecting ballistics, but as far as these two scopes go, which one would you buy and why?

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There is a lot of love here for the Trijicon, but I have always been a Zeiss fan for optical clarity, customer service, and I really think their Rapid Z reticles are damn nice.

 
I used a stock Conquest 3-9x40 with #4 German reticle over in Namibia last year and it performed wonderfully in all conditions, including at night.  My PH (Professional Hunter) and his father, both VERY well-respected and with lots of experience, thought it was the best scope they'd ever seen in a long time, and I ended up gifting it to my PH after the hunt.  He uses it EVERY day in very tough conditions and it has held up like a charm.
 
Here is a detailed hunt report, pics, videos, conditions, ranges, etc. to give you a run-down.
 
I used a Tikka Whitetail Hunter M695 in .30-06 - one of the finest rifles I've ever shot, and I own all Tikkas for my bolt guns.
 
 
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Between those two, I'd get the Zeiss.  Optically, those 2 scopes are pretty comparable.  As big a fan as I am of the Accupoint scopes, 50mm is where I personally draw the line on max objective size.  I don't care for the objective bell of the scope being wider than the rifle it's mounted on.  Also, I don't like the fact the eye relief varies so much from low to high power on that particular Accupoint scope, even though it is quite nice optically.
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+1 on 50mm or less objectives.
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I would take a look at the Bushnell Elite 6500 in 2.5X16X42MM. Wonderful optics, 6.5X+ magnification, Rainguard, durable, and will handle the recoil of any caliber.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote principsd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/12/2009 at 15:24
Why is it that most people seem to hate +50mm scopes? I thought the wider the optical lens the more light is gathers thus giving you clearer and crispier field of view. What`s wrong with 56mm scope. Does the diameter size in any way negatively affects the scope performance&precision?

Also, what are your comments about Trijicon 3-9x40mm accupoint, mildot with green crosshair
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Having owned and/or shot both scopes (with different reticles than those listed), I'd be inclined to buy the Accupoint: good glass, illumination, 30mm, no plastic turrets, and only $806 from SWFA.
Lest I be hanged for heresy, I like the Conquest too, good glass, good service, but my money would go for the Trijicon.


Tikka makes a great rifle, I own a few and have owned several more.  My son's first rifle was a T3 in .308, topped with an Accupoint.

Your rifle will be big, heavy, and loud - but it should be accurate.  I hope you will be shooting from supported positions.

And try to hit the deer in the head, a 190-gr. round moving at almost 3000FPS does real damage to the meat, I know from experience.
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And 50+mm objectives are OK on large rifles, and yours is a large rifle.  For smaller guns, they ain't great, they throw off the balance and tend to snag on things at the worst possible time.
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I think either would give you great optics for the money.  On the T3 tactical, i wouldn't worry too much about the low profile - the 50mm might give you a slightly better comfort level when shooting.  The conquest would be just as bright as the trijicon on 7 or 8 power, which you can shoot a long long ways at that magnification w/ good glass. 

The T3 tactical is a wonderful gun - great action and triggers.
 
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I own a Tikka T3 Super Varmint which is pretty much the same thing as the Tactical and unless you're a big healthy boy I doubt you're going to want to be doing too much backwoods trekking with it. But if you really are then I'd look at that Bushnell 6500 somebody suggested.


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Nice rig, not a stalker, obviously.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Nice rig, not a stalker, obviously.

Not unless you're an NFL lineman in your spare time.
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Well, I did use to be a lineman in Canadian forces some years ago. Of course, I`m no longer at the best shape, but I do not plan to be stalking anyways. We will most probably be static hunters; find a nice spot, camouflage, put bait and wait for deer.
I like the T3 a lot, especially 24` barrel. I`ll put the muzzle brake on it, it should somewhat reduce the recoil of the .300 win mag, though I`m not very much muzzle sensitive anyways.

Figure, I`ll go with Trijicon, either 3-9x40 or 2.5-10x56. Zeiss is a good scope but I like the battery free illumination on the Trijicon. Seems to be good quality glass too.
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nice rig, sholling -
 
what caliber? and how's she shoot?
 
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A recommendation:  if you are not recoil sensitive, I'd stay away from putting a brake on it - or plan on investing in very good hearing protection.

Recoil on a heavy 300WM ain't bad, especially if you aren't sensitive.  You know that with a nice deer in the scope, you don't feel it recoil anyway.

A brake complicates things, allot.  The good ones are very loud, and once your hearing is gone, it's gone for good.

Enjoy the set-up, you will like the Accupoint.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

A recommendation:  if you are not recoil sensitive, I'd stay away from putting a brake on it - or plan on investing in very good hearing protection.

Recoil on a heavy 300WM ain't bad, especially if you aren't sensitive.  You know that with a nice deer in the scope, you don't feel it recoil anyway.

A brake complicates things, allot.  The good ones are very loud, and once your hearing is gone, it's gone for good.

Enjoy the set-up, you will like the Accupoint.
 
Great advice here - get a Limbsaver pad for your stock and get used to the recoil.  The brake is a BAD idea.
 
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Originally posted by jonbravado jonbravado wrote:

nice rig, sholling -
 
what caliber? and how's she shoot?
 
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Thank you. Shes a .223 and shoots like a laser. Amazingly accurate, but shes a Tikka so that's just expected.

Originally posted by greywolf greywolf wrote:

Great advice here - get a Limbsaver pad for your stock and get used to the recoil.  The brake is a BAD idea.
 
I'd start with just a Limbsaver. I have a T3 Lite (6.4lbs) in 300WM and it's brutal, and with a Limbsaver only semi-brutal. But the extra weight of the Tactical combined with a Limbsaver may be all you need.  I honestly wouldn't buy another 300WM but that's not my call - it's what you have  your heart set on. Anyway the tactical's barrel comes prethreaded and you can always add a break later if you need one.
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I wasn`t going to put the muzzle brake because of recoil but for the added accuracy. I`ve never shot .300WM before, but I`ve been told it has some strong recoil, not as bad as .338 but still. So, the reason to put a brake on is to minimise the vertical recoil and therefore have better accuracy at the long shot. Maybe this is not necessary?
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Originally posted by principsd principsd wrote:

I wasn`t going to put the muzzle brake because of recoil but for the added accuracy. I`ve never shot .300WM before, but I`ve been told it has some strong recoil, not as bad as .338 but still. So, the reason to put a brake on is to minimise the vertical recoil and therefore have better accuracy at the long shot. Maybe this is not necessary?
 
It is not necessary.  A tuning setup, like a BOSS or even (though some would disagree) a Limbsaver De-Resonator would help more.  And if you can get one (legally) or afford it, a quality sound suppressor - but I think a Tikka T3 tactical is so accurate that most shooters will never truly approach its capabilities, regardless of the gadgetry on it.
 
 
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Originally posted by principsd principsd wrote:

I wasn`t going to put the muzzle brake because of recoil but for the added accuracy. I`ve never shot .300WM before, but I`ve been told it has some strong recoil, not as bad as .338 but still. So, the reason to put a brake on is to minimise the vertical recoil and therefore have better accuracy at the long shot. Maybe this is not necessary?



Odds are not good that a brake will increase accuracy.  I too have owned the T3 lite in 300WM and put a very effective brake on it - and sometimes regretted it.

Forget the brakes, shoot the gun, if accuracy is lacking (which I doubt it will be) there are a few things to check before you install a brake.
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