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principsd
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Looking to purchase T3 tactical 24` in 300 win mag. Primary uses are going to be deer hunting and target shooting 400 meters and plus.
I`m looking at Trijicon 2.5-10x56mm AccuPoint 30mm with Mil-Dot Crosshair w/ Green Dot (900$) or Zeiss 3.5-10x50mm Conquest Rapid Z 600 (850$). I am new into big scope shooting and will have to learn a lot about numerous factors affecting ballistics, but as far as these two scopes go, which one would you buy and why? Thank you |
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greywolf
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There is a lot of love here for the Trijicon, but I have always been a Zeiss fan for optical clarity, customer service, and I really think their Rapid Z reticles are damn nice. I used a stock Conquest 3-9x40 with #4 German reticle over in Namibia last year and it performed wonderfully in all conditions, including at night. My PH (Professional Hunter) and his father, both VERY well-respected and with lots of experience, thought it was the best scope they'd ever seen in a long time, and I ended up gifting it to my PH after the hunt. He uses it EVERY day in very tough conditions and it has held up like a charm.
Here is a detailed hunt report, pics, videos, conditions, ranges, etc. to give you a run-down.
I used a Tikka Whitetail Hunter M695 in .30-06 - one of the finest rifles I've ever shot, and I own all Tikkas for my bolt guns.
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RifleDude
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Between those two, I'd get the Zeiss. Optically, those 2 scopes are pretty comparable. As big a fan as I am of the Accupoint scopes, 50mm is where I personally draw the line on max objective size. I don't care for the objective bell of the scope being wider than the rifle it's mounted on. Also, I don't like the fact the eye relief varies so much from low to high power on that particular Accupoint scope, even though it is quite nice optically.
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Bitterroot Bulls
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+1 on 50mm or less objectives.
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I would take a look at the Bushnell Elite 6500 in 2.5X16X42MM. Wonderful optics, 6.5X+ magnification, Rainguard, durable, and will handle the recoil of any caliber.
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principsd
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Why is it that most people seem to hate +50mm scopes? I thought the wider the optical lens the more light is gathers thus giving you clearer and crispier field of view. What`s wrong with 56mm scope. Does the diameter size in any way negatively affects the scope performance&precision?
Also, what are your comments about Trijicon 3-9x40mm accupoint, mildot with green crosshair |
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Rancid Coolaid
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Having owned and/or shot both scopes (with different reticles than those listed), I'd be inclined to buy the Accupoint: good glass, illumination, 30mm, no plastic turrets, and only $806 from SWFA.
Lest I be hanged for heresy, I like the Conquest too, good glass, good service, but my money would go for the Trijicon. Tikka makes a great rifle, I own a few and have owned several more. My son's first rifle was a T3 in .308, topped with an Accupoint. Your rifle will be big, heavy, and loud - but it should be accurate. I hope you will be shooting from supported positions. And try to hit the deer in the head, a 190-gr. round moving at almost 3000FPS does real damage to the meat, I know from experience. |
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Rancid Coolaid
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And 50+mm objectives are OK on large rifles, and yours is a large rifle. For smaller guns, they ain't great, they throw off the balance and tend to snag on things at the worst possible time.
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jonbravado
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I think either would give you great optics for the money. On the T3 tactical, i wouldn't worry too much about the low profile - the 50mm might give you a slightly better comfort level when shooting. The conquest would be just as bright as the trijicon on 7 or 8 power, which you can shoot a long long ways at that magnification w/ good glass. The T3 tactical is a wonderful gun - great action and triggers.
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J
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I own a Tikka T3 Super Varmint which is pretty much the same thing as the Tactical and unless you're a big healthy boy I doubt you're going to want to be doing too much backwoods trekking with it. But if you really are then I'd look at that Bushnell 6500 somebody suggested.
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Nice rig, not a stalker, obviously.
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Not unless you're an NFL lineman in your spare time. |
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Well, I did use to be a lineman in Canadian forces some years ago. Of course, I`m no longer at the best shape, but I do not plan to be stalking anyways. We will most probably be static hunters; find a nice spot, camouflage, put bait and wait for deer.
I like the T3 a lot, especially 24` barrel. I`ll put the muzzle brake on it, it should somewhat reduce the recoil of the .300 win mag, though I`m not very much muzzle sensitive anyways. Figure, I`ll go with Trijicon, either 3-9x40 or 2.5-10x56. Zeiss is a good scope but I like the battery free illumination on the Trijicon. Seems to be good quality glass too. |
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nice rig, sholling -
what caliber? and how's she shoot?
J
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Rancid Coolaid
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A recommendation: if you are not recoil sensitive, I'd stay away from putting a brake on it - or plan on investing in very good hearing protection.
Recoil on a heavy 300WM ain't bad, especially if you aren't sensitive. You know that with a nice deer in the scope, you don't feel it recoil anyway. A brake complicates things, allot. The good ones are very loud, and once your hearing is gone, it's gone for good. Enjoy the set-up, you will like the Accupoint. |
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Great advice here - get a Limbsaver pad for your stock and get used to the recoil. The brake is a BAD idea.
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sholling
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Thank you. Shes a .223 and shoots like a laser. Amazingly accurate, but shes a Tikka so that's just expected.
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I wasn`t going to put the muzzle brake because of recoil but for the added accuracy. I`ve never shot .300WM before, but I`ve been told it has some strong recoil, not as bad as .338 but still. So, the reason to put a brake on is to minimise the vertical recoil and therefore have better accuracy at the long shot. Maybe this is not necessary?
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It is not necessary. A tuning setup, like a BOSS or even (though some would disagree) a Limbsaver De-Resonator would help more. And if you can get one (legally) or afford it, a quality sound suppressor - but I think a Tikka T3 tactical is so accurate that most shooters will never truly approach its capabilities, regardless of the gadgetry on it.
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Rancid Coolaid
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Odds are not good that a brake will increase accuracy. I too have owned the T3 lite in 300WM and put a very effective brake on it - and sometimes regretted it. Forget the brakes, shoot the gun, if accuracy is lacking (which I doubt it will be) there are a few things to check before you install a brake. |
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