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I am looking for a scope to mount on my M1A.  I have a budget of up to $200, but I’d really like to keep it under $150 (I realize that is cheap, but budgets are budgets).  I am using a Bassett Standard Mount.

My priorities in order are:
  • tough enough to handle some difficult hunting conditions (shock/waterproof)
  • in the 2x7x30-32 range (no larger than 35)
  • mil dot or ballistic plex
  • tactical/target knobs (with tactile and audible clicks)
  • good low light capabilities
  • eye relief @4-5”
  • illuminated reticle
  • prefer a 1” tube
  • 2nd focal plane reticle
  • Light in weight
Thanks for any assistance.

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Thats a tuff bill to fill on a $200 budget, my friend. 

You might have to ditch the lit reticle, but I found this??
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Thanks.  My damn refrigerator went out, so been dealing with a lot of unintentionally thawed meat.

I saw the Burris Fullfield E1 and thought it might work.  I also saw the Vortex Viper - http://swfa.com/Vortex-2-7x32-Viper-Rifle-Scope-P11226.aspx.

The Burris Fullfield II Tactical 2-7x35mm also looks very interesting, but is just a little above my price range.

Can I get your opinion on these?  I'm torn between getting these or just using the iron sights.  The iron sights work well, but I believe a good scope would increase the flexibility of the M1 by increasing my accuracy out to about 800-1000 meters.

Thanks for your help.
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The only problem I have with putting any low priced scope on a M1A, is it is a an extreamly hard on scopes. It is not so much the recoil of the round, but the bolt slamming back forward that kills most scopes. I have not tried Vortex's customer service, but it has always received favorable reviews. And my experience with Burrisis limited to a bad set of rings (which they handled well). But on that rifle, I would bet, you would be able to give a review shorly after purchase of either scope.
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I'd p[robably put a 2-7 Vortex viper with BDC on it instead but if you could manage $300 then I would go with the 6x42 Super Sniper
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I had a Burris XTR 3-12X50 on my M1A for a little while. It handled it well. I have since gone back to iron sights. The scope now sits on my Savage 10FLCP. The Fullfield II will hold up to the punishment of your rifle. The area where you will run into a problem is getting enough adjustment to reach out to the distances you are talking about. You have 60 inches total adjustment at 100 yards. That is 30 inches each way assuming the scope is still centered when it is sighted in. You will need around 35 inches elevation at 100 yards to reach 1000 yards with the Sierra Matchking 175's. The M1A scope mount doesn't lend itself to any adjustments as far as a forward cant of say 10-20 moa. You will have to use the rings (ie. Signature Pos-Align), to compensate for the mount. With a 7 power scope, your target will be very small at 1000 yards. I would say you would be able to hit your target out to 700 yards reliably if you do your part and the rifle is fairly accurate. Assuming you are shooting at humanoid silhouettes. Another thing to remember is an adjustable parallax is a must. The 2-7 is fixed at 100 yards from the factory. You can have the scope setup to be parallax free at other distances though.
 
Just some things to consider.
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At your specified budget, I'd go with the Burris or the viper with bdc
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Viper all the way.  The CS is second to none and they are proven on some hard hitting guns

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Billybur2,

Appreciate the insight on the M1A's issue with scopes.  I've heard that several times, but your info on the bolt going home is excellent.  Never understood that before.  If I get one of these, I'll try to provide a good review.  From your post, though, I'm beginning to wonder again, whether I should stick with iron sights.

Urimaginaryfrnd,

I'm pretty tight on the budget.  I looked at the 6x42.  It looks great, but unfortunately it is 30mm.  I already have the 1" Bassett scope mount, so that would add to my budget woes.  Appreciate your idea though.  Wish I could afford something nicer, but c'est la vie.

JMG8550,

Outstanding information.  I'll ensure that if I get the Vortex, which is where I'm leaning now, that I get it parallax free.

Thanks to all who replied.  One question I have though, does anyone know why the Viper has been discontinued?  Seems odd, since it appears to be an excellent scope for the money.
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I wouldn't go with a fixed parallax scope. Adjustable parallax is what you want, but that comes at extra cost. If you do get a scope with a fixed parallax, make sure it is set at a distance you will be shooting at most of the time.
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I have one of these, was on my mini-30, now on a Saiga 7.62 x 39. It's no frills, and has held up well. 


http://swfa.com/Burris-3-9x32-Timberline-Rifle-Scope-P11002.aspx  


They also have the 2-7 model at the same price, but I'm not sure about the mounting length. Might measure and give them a call. 


I have 2 of the Vipers with BDC and they are a little better glass, "and at 169 are a very good deal" but I'm not at all ashamed of my Timberline and like the reticle better. If you can swing the extra 50 for the Viper, do so, Pyro used one on his Howitzer Big Smile  .375 H&H with no issues. If times are too tight, the Timberline is not a bad option. 

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IMHO, on the lower powered scopes being discussed, an adjustable parallax is not really needed. Most scopes below 10x magnification, parallax is of little or no concern no matter what range.
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