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I recently decided to downsize my rifles, just bought a Sako 75 Greywolf in .308, and a Kimber 84M (weighs 5.2 lbs.), both rifles are on the short side and I want to match scopes that wil be in proportion with their sizes.  I'm a fanatic of quality, and am willing to spend up to $800 (if need be).  I will be primarily hunting deer and hogs in central California, so low light capability is a must.  Which scopes that are on the shorter side will be the best?  Thinking about VXlll 2.5-8, Burris Short-Mag, Euro Diamond 1.5-6.
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I can highly recommend the VX III 2.5-8 for your Kimber.  I've got two of them on 84's.  The Leupold is small and light and fits the rifle perfectly.  I'm sure the new Conquests in lower powers would be good, too, but I was going to spend more than the Leupold, I'd get the Kahles CL 2-7X36.  I  haven't seen one of these yet, but if it's like the CL 3-9X42 it's a great scope.
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Burris Short Mag 3-9 is a BAD scope design with extremely critical eye relief which prevents use in the field over about 6x.

The Leu VXIII 2.5-8x36 is a nice scope and the B&C reticle is useful but it is not going to be as bright as a fixed 6x42 with 7mm exit eye pupil or a fixed 4X and it won't be as bright as a 3.5-10x40 at the 8x setting so if you use a variable turn the power down as it gets darker. The Nikon Monarch Gold 1.5-6x42 is rather a smaller scope but excellent optics and very bright - high on my list for dangerous game guns.

Nikon 1.5-6x42 Monarch Gold 30mm Riflescope

Nikon 1.5-6x42 Monarch Gold 30mm Riflescope

   

Key Features

  • Ultra ClearCoat System for 95% light transmission               120 MOA internal adjustment
  • Rugged, one piece 30mm main body tube
  • 100% Waterproof/Fogproof/Shockproof
  • Quick Focus Eyepiece
  • Lifetime Full Warranty
  • Fully multicoated lenses
  • 1/4-minute click handturn reticle adjustments
  • Four times magnification range
Specifications
Weight (oz): 17.3

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Length (in): 11.4
Eye Relief (in): 4.1 - 4
Field of View @ 100 yards (ft): 64.7 - 17.3
Exit Pupil (mm.): 27.1 - 7.2
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Hello Fishinado

 

The Khales CL 2-7x36 and the Swarovski AV 3-9x36 will not disapoint

or leave you in the dark. Both of these scopes are light and have exellent

low light glass at about $800. Nice rifle by the way.

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For these rifles, I would recommend a fixed 6x scope that is fairly small and light and has flexible eye relief.  Among the mid range 6x scopes the ones I have experience with and that work well are, in order of increasing price:

Burris Fullfield II 6x40
Sightron S2 6x42
Nikon Monarch 6x42
Leupold FX-III 6x42

I think all of these weigh about 12-13 ounces.

As for Short Mag, Urimaginaryfrnd, are you sure the Short Mag 3-9x32 is a bad design?  I had that scope and I never had any problems with it.  Are you sure you did not just get a bad scope?  Every maker comes out with a dud here and there.

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Another recommendation for the Kahles CL.  Top notch glass & reliable, accurate mechanics.  If you're looking for QUALITY then look no further than the CL.
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Thank you all!  I should mention that almost all the shots will be inside of 150yds, so a fixed 6 probably will not be the best.  Does Kahles have an etched or wire reticle
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You shouldn't be conserned about that if you have short action, because you have a .308 most wire reticles are rated for .375 Holland and Holland, However if you had a 300 win mag than I could begin to understand your want for security. 

 

I don't know they etch their reticles, but it doesn't matter in your case.

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Burris Short Mag 3-9x32.  The one I had was shipped back to Burris who after several months returned it saying that they had removed the parallax however it returned doing exactly the same thing as it left doing. The primary problem was that in practical use for hunting you could raise the rifle to eye level and the scope would appear as if you were looking through a white cloud. Eye relief was extremely critical so much so that within about 1/4 inch you could be in or out of focus. If you dialed the scope down to powers below 6x it was useable and the eye relief not as critical.

Ultimately I returned it to the store I bought it from. I had similar problems (not quite as bad) with critical eye relief with this burris

200309 Burris 3-12x32 Handgun Scope Burris 3-12x32 Handgun Scope
  • Matte
  • Ballistic Plex
  • 1"
  • Adjustable Objective
SWFA: $338.95

at higher powers the eye relief was so critical that it was not useable in the field at the higher powers, and eye relief was not in focus at extended arm length but a shorter length which might have worked for a bench rest guy but not for hunting. I bought it here and ultimately I traded it in here at a significant loss and I would say it was in perfect condition but still a poor design for hunting.  So the only Burris that I have ever owned and had good success with is the 1x short mag and it is on a 45-70 Encore pistol and has worked extremely well. My only other noteworthy experience with Burris Short mag was when a dealer was showing me a 4.5-14x32 and the internal parts on that new scope came apart rendering it totally useless. That is not good odds. I suspect the failure is the result of trying to get too wide of a range of magnification into too small of a piece of equipment.

 

I do second the motion for a fixed 6x42 or a (1.5-6x42 Nikon Monarch Gold or a Sightron SII) And as for burris I do think that their better lines of scopes are likely to be fine scopes but I've been burned twice both in the same year.

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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

Burris Short Mag 3-9x32.  The one I had was shipped back to Burris who after several months returned it saying that they had removed the parallax however it returned doing exactly the same thing as it left doing. The primary problem was that in practical use for hunting you could raise the rifle to eye level and the scope would appear as if you were looking through a white cloud. Eye relief was extremely critical so much so that within about 1/4 inch you could be in or out of focus. If you dialed the scope down to powers below 6x it was useable and the eye relief not as critical.

Ultimately I returned it to the store I bought it from. I had similar problems (not quite as bad) with critical eye relief with this burris

200309 Burris 3-12x32 Handgun Scope Burris 3-12x32 Handgun Scope
  • Matte
  • Ballistic Plex
  • 1"
  • Adjustable Objective
SWFA: $338.95

at higher powers the eye relief was so critical that it was not useable in the field at the higher powers, and eye relief was not in focus at extended arm length but a shorter length which might have worked for a bench rest guy but not for hunting. I bought it here and ultimately I traded it in here at a significant loss and I would say it was in perfect condition but still a poor design for hunting.  So the only Burris that I have ever owned and had good success with is the 1x short mag and it is on a 45-70 Encore pistol and has worked extremely well. My only other noteworthy experience with Burris Short mag was when a dealer was showing me a 4.5-14x32 and the internal parts on that new scope came apart rendering it totally useless. That is not good odds. I suspect the failure is the result of trying to get too wide of a range of magnification into too small of a piece of equipment.

 

I do second the motion for a fixed 6x42 or a (1.5-6x42 Nikon Monarch Gold or a Sightron SII) And as for burris I do think that their better lines of scopes are likely to be fine scopes but I've been burned twice both in the same year.



Well, I did not have that problem with a 3-9x32 Short Mag I had played with not long ago.  As for the pistol scope, I recall Burris advertising it as having shorter eye-relief at higher magnification since, according to them, at higher magnification people shoot from a rest where the pistol is closer to the eye.  I've never used a high magnificaiton pistol scope, so I do not have a personal opinion on this. 

I have owned quite a few Burris scopes and currently have a couple with another one on order, so my experience with Burris is clearly different from yours.

ILya
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Originally posted by Fishinado Fishinado wrote:

Thank you all!  I should mention that almost all the shots will be inside of 150yds, so a fixed 6 probably will not be the best.  Does Kahles have an etched or wire reticle

 

The Kahles CL line uses an etched reticle.  I believe this to be the case with their European models also. 

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