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I'm not trying to start a fight here, just need some input from guys with more experience with different optics. I am looking for a new scope to go on a Weatherby Vanguard SUB-MOA in .270 WSM. Use will be mainly whitetail and long range mule deer hunting. I was looking at the new Nikon Monarch 4-16x42 with BDC reticle for $449.95, the Leupold VXIII 30mm 4.5-14x40 with b&c reticle for $679.95, and really leaning towards a Zeiss Conquest 4.5-14x44 with the Rapid-Z 600, or 800 reticle which I can buy for $712 or less with a certain %110 price match. I would like your opinions on these choices. $600 to $700 for optics is out of my price range, but I want a lifetime scope, and one I can rely on for my only deer rifle. And I kind of set my heart on a Zeiss. Please help. Thank You.
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Trigger................It appears that your heart is with the Conquest, but is out of your price range??? That`s ok!......Keep the Monarch on your list, scratch the Zeiss and the Leupold, but add the 4x16 Elite 4200! I am a former Leupold owner! Earlier this year I became a 4200 owner and mounted one on my 300 WSM. For the money the 4200 is a better choice. Although the Zeiss is a small fraction brighter,  the 4200 is just as clear and resolute.....Save your money and take a few peeks through the Monarch and the 4200!!! 
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Squeeze, the zeiss is not entirely out of my price range, but paying that much for optics would be hard for me to imagine. I love the idea behind the Rapid-Z reticles and it should be great for the kind of long range mule deer shots I get in midwestern South Dakota. I just need to know that the Zeiss is worth the extra $$ for me. I would love to hear from someone who has used the Rapid Z reticles, and if they work well. I missed a HUGE mule buck last year by inches at about 480 yards, and I won't let it happen again. Even if it means spending more for a scope. Right now I have an ancient USA made Redfield Widefield in a 3-9, but I need an upgrade. Got about $750 to spend, I just got to decide if I want to part with all of it. Thanks, and keep the replys coming.

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Trigger..........................I`m not a big fan of BDC or similiar recticles! They are a guideline, but not absolute when it comes to holdover! I like the KISS principle or approach. Give me a multi-plex scope, a zero of 300 yards, a chrono`d hunting load so that I know exactly what my bullet trajectories are and I`m in biz..............Remember too, that even with using your 270, the wind could have easily played a role with that 480 yard shot!! And if the wind did play a role, the reticles IMO, would not have made any difference!!......On my last little piggy hunt, I took a 402 lb. sow at 342 yards with one shot using a 180 gr. A/B. I was zeroed in at 300 yards which meant very little or no guess work in holdover!!! 480 yards though, is not exactly the easiest shot to take. Could you have moved a little closer by chance??? 
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Unfortunately, moving closer wasn't an option. Earlier in the day, about 8 truckloads of idiots were chasing the deer around, and it was all we could do to stalk the big buck from 700 yards to about 480. The only reason we were able to get as close as we did, was that he was following a doe, and keeping a smaller buck from her. It seems lately that the wide open country and hunting pressure out here is lending to the 400+ yard shots I get. The easiest shot I've had in the last 8 years was last year. Ranged after the shot at 239 yards on a dead sprint. While I try to avoid shots like this, my options seem to be limited any more. I missed the big one by about 2" just under the vitals. I was just hoping some extra hold over references would help at the longer ranges. I just saw a Kahles 3-10x50 Helia CL multizero on the sample list for $749 if that is worth looking at.
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kahles makes a better scope than the zeiss you are looking at
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