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I am new to the site as I just joined today.  My head is spinning after reading so many post on different scope suggestions.
 
I have a Remington 700 BDL 30.06 with a Leupold 2x7 scope that I just gave to my 17 year old son.  My son is 6'4" tall so he is plenty big for the gun.  I bought the rifle from a friend for $150.00 and it is in excellent condition.  I got it for such a great deal because  I did some work for my friend and I refused to let him pay me any money so he sold me the gun at this price.   My brother, the avid hunter, tells my son the scope is not adequate for the gun and suggested he Zeiss Conquest scope.  Now my son thinks he needs a new scope at Dad's expense of course.    We hunt black tail deer in California and the maximum shot is probably  200-250 yards.
 
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Plenty scope and plenty adequete, as always there are better scopes avaible but, I believe this is a pretty good starting point.  Maybe your brother will be generous enough to provide your son with a new Zeiss scope.

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I'd say 7x is plenty for those distances.  Unless he thinks he needs one with better glass.  What model Leupold is it?
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The 2-7 Leo is an adequate scope for most hunting. Upgrading at dad's cost is always a good thing, from what I remember.
I think the Zeiss Conquest is a very good choice. In the mid-range price bracket they are one of the best. The Nikon Team Primos 3-9x40 and the Bushnell 3-9x40 4200 are more cost effective. A Leupold in 2.5-8x36 is also a good pick in this range.
I haven't used the 3-9 Conquest much, my brother has one. It is a very good scope optically.
The other three I have and they are all pretty close. I would not hesitate on any one of them. Given a single pick I would get the Zess only because I don't have one. All of them are listed in descending order, cost wise. $450 down to $200.

http://www.swfa.com/pc-1525-259-zeiss-3-9x40-conquest-rifle-scope.aspx
http://www.swfa.com/pc-3347-307-leupold-25-8x36-vx-iii-riflescope.aspx
http://www.swfa.com/pc-7280-185-bushnell-3-9x40-elite-4200-rifle-scope.aspx
http://www.swfa.com/pc-9244-2119-nikon-3-9x40-team-primos-riflescope.aspx

There are also other good choices in all of these brands in fixed and lower powered variables in the similar cost range.
If you want to spend a lot more let us know. We'll gladly help your son outWink.

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VX II or VX I ??? or vari X II or I ?? If it's the VX-I model, I would upgrade to better optics ( save a buck or two and go for a 4200 Elite 3x9)  . The VX II will work just fine however, and if you were to replace it, it would be because he "wants" a new scope, not "needs" one.

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Thank you for all your responses.  I dont know off hand what model the Leupold is but I think it is a vari X II.   After looking at many post on this site I was leaning towards the 4200 elite 3-9 for it value and my son's age.  How does this scope compare to the Leupold vari X II 2-7?
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 Has he even shot the rifle with that scope ? Seems he may be well satisfied as is . No use ruining a terrific deal by over-buying a non needed scope . I agree totally with Martin3175 on that reply .  
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Originally posted by tomp tomp wrote:

Thank you for all your responses.  I dont know off hand what model the Leupold is but I think it is a vari X II.   After looking at many post on this site I was leaning towards the 4200 elite 3-9 for it value and my son's age.  How does this scope compare to the Leupold vari X II 2-7?


I had that same Leo and my particular one was terrible to my eyes. I had no problem putting my Burris FF 4x back on. The Burris was far better.
The 4200 is far better than the VariX-II. It has much better contrast and resolution. The low light performance is in a completely different realm.
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    The 4200 will be a step up optically as well as mechanically due to,if nothing else, it being a newer scope with the latest technology . The Rainguard feature is REALLY nice!
    That being said though,the boy(6'4"!!!!!!!) is set the way the rifle is now.
 
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Yes.  I gave it to him last year and he has shot 3 boxes through it and and killed his first buck with it last year at 100 yards.  I personally think it is fine for a 17 year old but his uncle put these thoughts in his head.  His birthday is coming up and I am not opposed to getting him a new scope for the gun.  I can justify the price of a 4200 for his gift, but wonder if spending the additional $$ on a Zeiss will better serve him in the long run.
 
One last question.  I found this forum while I was searching for info on scopes.  Can anybody refer me to a similar forum for rifles as I am in the market for a new rifle to upgrade my Winchester Model 70 .270 (pre 64).   
 
 
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Yes.  I gave it to him last year and he has shot 3 boxes through it and and killed his first buck with it last year at 100 yards.  I personally think it is fine for a 17 year old but his uncle put these thoughts in his head.  His birthday is coming up and I am not opposed to getting him a new scope for the gun.  I can justify the price of a 4200 for his gift, but wonder if spending the additional $$ on a Zeiss will better serve him in the long run.
 
One last question.  I found this forum while I was searching for info on scopes.  Can anybody refer me to a similar forum for rifles as I am in the market for a new rifle to upgrade my Winchester Model 70 .270 (pre 64).   
 
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Sorry for the double post but my computer locked up and I was not sure the post went through
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Your still at the right place, we're not just optics people, but also gun nuts, ask away.
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  The 4200 would serve him for life.
  NOW,are you playing with our heads? How in  H**L do you UP GRADE from a pre-64 Win?! LOL
 
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My rifle arsenal includes several .22 rifles, 2 M-1 Carbines, 30-30 Level action, and a Winchester Model 70 .270 (pre 64).  I have hunted deer with my .270 in California for 20+ years and have found it to be plenty sufficient. 
 
I now want to treat myself to a new rifle and scope.  I want to go up to a larger caliber but am undecided.  I will likely use it occasionally for elk and white tail on an out of state hunting trip ever other year from now.  Right now I have $1,200.00 in my gun fund but expect to be at $1,700.00 maximum in a little bit.  I have no clue what brand or caliber but am thinking about a .300 mag.  I dont want to rush into this as this will likely be my last brand new rifle purchase. 
 
I know there are dozens of options out there but does anybody have any suggestions for my price range?
 
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Originally posted by tomp tomp wrote:

Yes.  I gave it to him last year and he has shot 3 boxes through it and and killed his first buck with it last year at 100 yards.  I personally think it is fine for a 17 year old but his uncle put these thoughts in his head.  His birthday is coming up and I am not opposed to getting him a new scope for the gun.  I can justify the price of a 4200 for his gift, but wonder if spending the additional $$ on a Zeiss will better serve him in the long run.
 

One last question.  I found this forum while I was searching for info on scopes.  Can anybody refer me to a similar forum for rifles as I am in the market for a new rifle to upgrade my Winchester Model 70 .270 (pre 64).   

 

If you are considering Zeiss Conquest, you might consider the 2.5-8 with Zplex reticule. It will also be a lifetime scope.   For the ranges you are talking about, it is an excellent choice.
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Sorry.  Bad choice of words.  I should of said I want to add to my arsenal.  haaaa
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Okay I am new to this so be patient with me.  I realized I posted this in the wront forum.  Sorry.  I will post it in the correct rifle forum. 
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I think a .300 is a great choice and all of them are damn good.  Its seems to me you'll be able to get a pretty nice gun and scope for $1700.00. 
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   Sako and Zeiss would make a FINE combo!  When it comes to people who ask about getting into a rifle chambered in a magnum cartridge,I advise them to try shooting as many different ones as they can.  A larger caliber doesn't necessarily mean magnum. A .35 Whelen would do you proud.
 
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If he needs some extra eye relief, then the Zeiss is a fine choice.  If not then the 4200 would still be a step up.  If his grades are good... If he is not out all night... If uncle comes up with an extra 150...
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Originally posted by tomp tomp wrote:

I am new to the site as I just joined today.  My head is spinning after reading so many post on different scope suggestions.
 
I have a Remington 700 BDL 30.06 with a Leupold 2x7 scope that I just gave to my 17 year old son.  My son is 6'4" tall so he is plenty big for the gun.  I bought the rifle from a friend for $150.00 and it is in excellent condition.  I got it for such a great deal because  I did some work for my friend and I refused to let him pay me any money so he sold me the gun at this price.   My brother, the avid hunter, tells my son the scope is not adequate for the gun and suggested he Zeiss Conquest scope.  Now my son thinks he needs a new scope at Dad's expense of course.    We hunt black tail deer in California and the maximum shot is probably  200-250 yards.
 
Any thoughts out there? 
..............The 2x7 magnification is enough for the `06. However it would be the lowest power variable I would consider for the `06.
 
You can certainly upgrade into a better scope optically. For the money you cannot beat the 3x9 Elite 4200 w/ Rainguard @ $249. Some have a hard time, telling the difference between the Conquest and the 4200. Others say the Zeiss is fractionally better and not worth the extra dollars. I falled into the latter category when comparing both.
 
It all depends too on what you wish to spend. The more in dollars you go, the percentage of optical quality improvement, as compared to those extra dollars spent, is substantially lower. You`ll spend alot more percentage wise, while gaining a smaller percentage of optical improvement.
 
 
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Originally posted by tomp tomp wrote:

Okay I am new to this so be patient with me.  I realized I posted this in the wront forum.  Sorry.  I will post it in the correct rifle forum. 
start a thread on the subject of your new rifle in the firearms area and we will attack this from many different sides we will get you something nice, sako or kimber looks like will fit into your bugdet but bring it up in the firearms area.
 
btw, the 4200 is a great choice, you will look through it and want one for your own rifle.
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I just suggested Zeiss to be different... EVERYBODY wants an Elite 4200.
Besides that, you can get that great jacket.




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