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I need some help picking a scope for my newly built 18.5" Mrk 12 Mod 1 clone. I will be hand loading SMK 77g rounds. shots out to 400 yrds.

My first thought was the military choice for the Mrk 12,........the Leop. Mrk 4, MR/T 3x9 36 W/ TMR.

I'd like to hear others thoughts.............thanks!
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There are better scopes than the Leupold - and they usually cost less.


I'd recommend the new SuperSniper 3-9 FFP.  It is getting very good reviews - and is surviving courses and classes that are killing many Leupolds.


It is a much better scope, better glass, better mechanics, and less expensive too!

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I'll second that motion. I have two of the variables. I also have the Leu Mk4 3.5-10x40 FFP TMR and the Super Sniper is so much more pleasant to use with the 1/10 mil clicks.  Poke a hole in the target measure it with the mildot reticle and dial in correction in mils  -- Oh My God how much more simple could it get.  This scope was designed for the Squad Designated Marksman program.
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The new SS scopes (3-9x42 and 10x HD) share no common parts from the original line of Super Snipers and have nothing to do with tasco/Bushnell, they are 100% designed and sourced by SWFA under close guidance from our Army contacts.  The 3-9x42’s primarily role is DM work.  Right now there are still many M14s in the system and they are brutal on scopes, the SS3-9 was built with that in mind.  We are told that the M14s will be phased out and everything will be “AR” based in the future, so running it on a Mk12 Mod1 is, right up its alley, so to speak.  The plan is for it to be able to be used on almost any configuration of a 5.56 or 7.62 gas gun.  The magnification was kept down so that it could easily be used in conjunction with a PVS-26 as well as be an acceptable close range scope and extended range scope.  One of its best features is a direct result of its lower power range and use of a 3x erector, it is very easy to look through and get on target with its wide field of view and forgiving eye relief, these are key features for successful DM use and especially handy for laying cover fire.  Parallax and illumination were not used based on the K.I.S.S. principle which keeps the cost down and the durability up.  The scope is very user friendly and easy to use in a stressful environment because you do not have to be concerned with what the parallax is set on, you don't have to think about the illumination being left on and possibly revealing your position, you don't have to be concerned if the scope is on the correct power to range (FFP), you don't have to convert mils to moa for your drop and you don't have to worry about the reticle focus (ocular) being off because it locks.

I feel very confident that you will not be able to find a scope better suited for your application.
 
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Frank Galli of Snipershide has one running through one of their 8 day classes right now in the hands of a Ranger.  Click here to read some of his initial thoughts.

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Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

The new SS scopes (3-9x42 and 10x HD) share no common parts from the original line of Super Snipers and have nothing to do with tasco/Bushnell, they are 100% designed and sourced by SWFA under close guidance from our Army contacts.  The 3-9x42’s primarily role is DM work.  Right now there are still many M14s in the system and they are brutal on scopes, the SS3-9 was built with that in mind.  We are told that the M14s will be phased out and everything will be “AR” based in the future, so running it on a Mk12 Mod1 is, right up its alley, so to speak.  The plan is for it to be able to be used on almost any configuration of a 5.56 or 7.62 gas gun.  The magnification was kept down so that it could easily be used in conjunction with a PVS-26 as well as be an acceptable close range scope and extended range scope.  One of its best features is a direct result of its lower power range and use of a 3x erector, it is very easy to look through and get on target with its wide field of view and forgiving eye relief, these are key features for successful DM use and especially handy for laying cover fire.  Parallax and illumination were not used based on the K.I.S.S. principle which keeps the cost down and the durability up.  The scope is very user friendly and easy to use in a stressful environment because you do not have to be concerned with what the parallax is set on, you don't have to think about the illumination being left on and possibly revealing your position, you don't have to be concerned if the scope is on the correct power to range (FFP), you don't have to convert mils to moa for your drop and you don't have to worry about the reticle focus (ocular) being off because it locks.

I feel very confident that you will not be able to find a scope better suited for your application.
 


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Thanks for all the feedback.

I did not state the short list of scopes I was comparing for this application.......But, the SS 3x9 was #1 on the list.

Question 2: Will the SS 3x9 in the S.S.A.L.T mount clear my YHM-9680 BUIS with a ht. of 0.84" to the top of the windage knob, 0.74" to the top of the sight body?

Thanks again.
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GenNBForrest, No sir it will not clear anything over .74 inches in the rear. From the top of the receiver to the bottom of the eyepiece is exactly .74 inches.
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You guys make it sound so good....who wouldn't want one?
 
Anybody got the official size posted yet? 
 
My family back in Ohio have some AR's and I think I need to finally talk to them about this scope.
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Has anyone come out with anything negative on the scope yet, or is it just perfect.
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Thank you Chris. 

Sounds like I have two options,

1. Go to a shorter folded height BUIS.

If I go to a short than .74"  folded sight my options are?

From the "list"

GG&G MAD - 0.625" folded
Magpul MBUS - 0.625" folded
ARMS 40L - 0.61" folded
Troy - 0.460" folded
MI MCTAR-SPLP - .438" folded
YHM QDS - 0.435" folded
KAC 300m - 0.315" folded


2. Use a taller scope mount

I like the looks and price of the S.S.A.L.T. mount
Is there anything out there similar with addition height?
And.....would anything taller create a problem in eye relief, proper cheek weld, etc?

I use the Magpul PRS stock on this rifle.



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Originally posted by danjojoUSMC danjojoUSMC wrote:

You guys make it sound so good....who wouldn't want one?
 
Anybody got the official size posted yet? 
 
My family back in Ohio have some AR's and I think I need to finally talk to them about this scope.

10x42HD 10x42 3-9x42 Overall Lengh, in 13.5 14 13.1 Mounting Length, in 5.7 5.75 5.9 Eyepiece to turret, in 2.1 1.9 2.5 Turret to objective bell, in 2.25 2.7 2.25 Eyepiece length, in 3.25 3.5 3.7 Eyepiece Diameter, in 1.74 1.8 1.64 Objective Bell Diameter, in 1.95 1.95 1.95

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Originally posted by danjojoUSMC danjojoUSMC wrote:

You guys make it sound so good....who wouldn't want one?
 
Originally posted by Roadwild17 Roadwild17 wrote:

Has anyone come out with anything negative on the scope yet, or is it just perfect.
 
This thing wasn't just hatched over night, it is the result of many years of research and engineering.  The optical system is the heart of any optic and you get out what you put in and we were willing and able to put in whatever it took to make the end result the best that it could be while keeping it affordable.  As soon as you pick this scope up you will notice how easy it is to look through, how wide the field is, how generous and forgiving the eye relief is and mostly how well it performs in low light....all of these are factors of a well thought out and balanced optical design.
 
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Originally posted by GenNBForrest GenNBForrest wrote:

Thank you Chris. 

Sounds like I have two options,

1. Go to a shorter folded height BUIS.

2. Use a taller scope mount

I like the looks and price of the S.S.A.L.T. mount
Is there anything out there similar with addition height?
And.....would anything taller create a problem in eye relief, proper cheek weld, etc?

I use the Magpul PRS stock on this rifle.

You do not want to compromise your cheek weld/eye position.  The S.S.A.L.T. mount is right on for 99% of the set ups we've mounted them on.
 
If you can get by with a higher scope position I would use these risers.
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Originally posted by Roadwild17 Roadwild17 wrote:

Has anyone come out with anything negative on the scope yet, or is it just perfect.



No, it isn't perfect, I have a HUGE complaint: I put mine on a Remington 40X and, no matter how many times I pull the trigger, there's only one damned hole on the paper!


I've got my "smack the smiley" targets coming; with any luck, the 40X and the 3-9SS will get me some free booty this time around.


Edited for terrible punctuation.


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We sponsor Smack the Smiley so you might get a gift certificate to use at swfa.com.
 
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Originally posted by Roadwild17 Roadwild17 wrote:

Has anyone come out with anything negative on the scope yet, or is it just perfect.
 
Well considering the price it's pretty close to perfect.  There are things like illumination and higher magnification that some people feel a need for but for all around use this is a really nice scope with a huge amount of internal adjustment.
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Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

We sponsor Smack the Smiley so you might get a gift certificate to use at swfa.com.
 
Good luck.



If I win anything, I will give props to SWFA for the 3-9.
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