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I currently have a loaded model M1A in a J Allen Enterprises stock. I'm currently torn between the following 3 scopes.

- SWFA SS 3-9 FFP
- Vortex Viper PST 2.5-10
- Leupold VX-R Patrol 3.9

I'm only familiar with leupold scopes first hand. My concerns are

a) how good is the quality of the illuminated reticle on the vortex
b) how good are the internal mechanics on the vortex and the SS. is there any reticle canting when the turrets are cranked to their extremes?
c) how do they fare on the box test
d) is there any major compelling reason to go with one or the other

I'll be shooting out to 600 with this rifle. Purely recreational, but my goal is to have it fill sort of an "overwatch" or SDM role.

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Welcome to Optics Talk. 

I only have the 3-9x SS and the 3-9x VX-R, which is basically the same as the patrol. 
Like the Leupold and love the SS. 


Also, we need pics of the M1A. Big Grin
You need fiddy posts to post pics, but if you send them to me I'll throw them up here for you. 

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http://opticstalk.com/leupold-vxr-patrol_topic30728.html
I ended up selling the Patrol and keeping the SS. Fits my needs better.  IF I needed/wanted a 3-9 with illumination that wasn't FFP the patrol would be top of the list
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A true work of art Wes,you even have the sling correct Excellent
 
Welcome to the OT SS 556!All good advise & +2 on the SS...........
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Here's the rifle (that scope is now on a MK12MOD0 i built)



while i understand the benefit of a fixed power scope, my concern is that 10X would be too much magnification at closer ranges (100 yds). Hence my selection of the 3 I originally listed.

SVT: Why did you keep the SS over the VX-R?
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additionally, I tried 4x magnification at 600 yds, and while i'm sure i COULD hit the targets at that power, I certainly wouldn't mind a little extra. Currently i'm leaning towards the 2.5-10 a) due to the illumination and b) because of the widest range of magnification. but it's all still up in the air.
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Originally posted by Sansone556 Sansone556 wrote:

SVT: Why did you keep the SS over the VX-R?
 
The SS is FFP, i like that when trying to make corrections.  I also like the taller turrets and glass a touch better.  Most of the guns I use are tactical oriented or target whatever you want to call it as I don't really do anything "tactical" but you get the picure.  The Patrol knobs are like danny devito, short and stocky, but wouldn't be the greatest with gloved hands.  The SS doesn't matter.  The on upside, what i really liked about the patrol was the illumination.  in falling light and low light its nice to have that but I've also never had a shot were I couldn't hit it with a non illuminated reticle.  Right now my 3-9 rides on a 308 sub gun and i spin the knobs ALLOT.  its always returned to zero and I've never had an issue with it.  I have another SS 3-9 tucked away for another 22lr trainer I want to put together.
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My conflicts are as follows:
-The SWFA is a FFP scope. which is advantageous, but none of my other scopes are, so i'm unsure if I'd really miss it if i didn't have it.....

-the VXR is not a fully illuminated reticle like the vortex. I just don't know if the illumination washes out or how quality their scopes really are
- given the range that the rifle will be used in (100-600 yds) i like the wider range of magnification on the Vortex...but again, i'm unsure

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i'm also just a shade wary to a company hosted forum and taking all the glowing reviews for that company's product at face value...........forgive me for being a little skeptical. 
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Go to any of the other forums you will find similar reviews on the SS line. You will add at least $1,000 to match the SS.
     With the Mil reticle, once you have gone to FFP you will never want to go back. You will wonder why all BCD reticles aren't FFP instead of SFP. It just makes sense. I was the same way before getting the 5-20x50 SS.. My eyes were opened.
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If money were no object.  I would by a SS.
 
I mean if you put $2500 in my hand said you can't keep what you don't spend and I had to put my life on the line give me an SS and twice on Sunday.
 
I wish they were issued or they were DOD vendors.  I actually thought they were working on that.
 
I am big on their durability they are built for the combat situation, very fitting for your rifle.  I would suggest you think of materials.
 
Regardless of if they sponsor the site or not they have stood up to a few years of reviews now good luck finding negative reviews on any site.
 
Google SS 3-9 junk or SWFA SS 3-9 crap and see what you find...
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Originally posted by Sansone556 Sansone556 wrote:

i'm also just a shade wary to a company hosted forum and taking all the glowing reviews for that company's product at face value...........forgive me for being a little skeptical. 

That's fair. 

I'd encourage to look over at Sniper's Hide or most any Mil/LEO forum and you will see there are others that like the SS line.   
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Originally posted by Sansone556 Sansone556 wrote:

i'm also just a shade wary to a company hosted forum and taking all the glowing reviews for that company's product at face value...........forgive me for being a little skeptical. 


There is no doubt that many of us on this site are big SS fans.  They are a great quality scope at a good price.  Are there better scopes?  Absolutely, but they all cost way more.  Are there scopes that offer more for the money?  All in all I would say no. 

If a particular SS scopes specs meet your needs then it is a definitely worth considering.  I have had 7 different SS scopes over the years and not had a problem with any of them, they all did exactly what i needed and did it well.  I only have two currently as that is what my current needs require.  But I would like to acquire two more in the future. 

Mechanical wise they run with the best out there.  Glass wise they are very good, not the best but very good.  I have a Swaro Z6 and the SS HD glass is surprisingly good vs the Swaro.   

They really are a great scope, and when you consider they are typically much cheaper than scopes in the same class they are a heck of a bargain. 
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Originally posted by Sansone556 Sansone556 wrote:

i'm also just a shade wary to a company hosted forum and taking all the glowing reviews for that company's product at face value...........forgive me for being a little skeptical. 
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As far as the 3-9x42 SS goes  Ive bought three of them  two mil dots and a mil quad, my sons keep taking them.  You can always order one in look it over without mounting it and if you dont like what you see send it back and get something else.  For what these cost they are an awesome scope but If you want to go with a name you recognize buy a Zeiss product, samplelist.com has some factory refurbished ones that still come with a transferable warranty and a rapid Z800 reticle.  


Edited by Urimaginaryfrnd - October/25/2012 at 16:41
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Or go to the SA scout rail and run an Aimpoint Comp M4s   Excellent
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so far the only concern i've found is how tight the magnification ring is. have you all had this experience?

this article definitely has me leaning more towards the SS now.........
http://opticsthoughts.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=92%3Amid-range-tactical-part-1&catid=4%3Arifle-scope-reviews&Itemid=4
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

Or go to the SA scout rail and run an Aimpoint Comp M4s   Excellent


If i were to do it again, or if i ever get another M1A, I'd definitely get the Scout, and forward mount a CompM2X on it. I like that configuration, and sold a few of 'em set up like that back when I sold guns. This one is a little too heavy to warrant nothing but a red dot optic.
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Originally posted by Sansone556 Sansone556 wrote:

i'm also just a shade wary to a company hosted forum and taking all the glowing reviews for that company's product at face value...........forgive me for being a little skeptical. 
Sansone, I hope this doesn't come across to you wrong.  No disrespect intended...  But your comment is disrespectful.  It implies a lack of integrity on the part of the people on this forum.  You can say that was not the intent, but read the words... it is what you said.
 
I am loyal to SWFA products for one reason and one reason only... they are far superior to anything else in the price range... they perform BETTER than advertised, they suit both a civilian and military need (very difficult to do), they stand up to extreme abuse (I let BigDaddy use my 10xHD and it STILL WORKS), and if anything should go wrong, SWFA has the best customer service of any sales organization I have ever dealt with. 
 
 
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I don't think he's being disrespectful, he has money and he wants to make the best educated decision he can make.  Going to a vendors site, and getting nothing but glowing reviews about their product should be expected.  I understand where he's coming from, and think questioning things is fine.  I've questioned SWFA before, and still do on another issue that is not related to this thread.  But, with that said, think their SS line is a fantastic value, but not necessarily the be all end all.

OP, your question comes down to illumination and ranging for me.  Is it necessary to have illumination and will you range with the reticle?  If you plan to hunt in low/no light then I'd say go with the Leupold.  If you plan to range with the reticle, or learn how, then the SS is better.  Both are good scopes with good warranty's.  I like them both over the Vortex PST in that mag range.   
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(For this rant, I apologize in advance, I am a lil hyper, had an energy drink, and just took my pre workout. yup.)

I have also not seen a whole bunch of negative comments regarding SWFA, their products, or customer service. In my mind, that is good enough for me. I don't feel that I am blindly buying into the hype of advertising here anymore than I would be at Cabelas letting someone try to sell me "scope X" because it "worked great for them." Honestly, I feel that by reading more and more of the threads, and by reading in forums like Snipers Hide, one just realizes that this is all part of a larger community of marksman, instructors, veterans, and enthusiasts, that use this place as a means by which to bounce ideas off each other and share in the experience of being a "shooter." I think its pretty informative, tell the truth, and I'm a 11B3V(still waiting to get pinned 7, dang sequence numbers through the roof)(Infantry) Platoon Sergeant on my fourth deployment. Even when its not informative, at least its entertaining, and its not dang jersey shore. Keep up the good work SWFA, lets keep posting helpful and positive info for each other, and lets not go too far out of our way to be offended.
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oh yeah, again, sorry, kinda hyper.

does anyone else think this makes no sense whatsoever: we are out here in the middle of nowhere(read Afghanistan) and we dont have running water, but I HAVE to have internet, cuz good old FM just aint enough anymore. Lmao, yeah, sorry, just had to throw this out there, i know its off topic, and I dont mean to distract. lil left field there for you all. enjoy.
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Originally posted by Sansone556 Sansone556 wrote:

i'm also just a shade wary to a company hosted forum and taking all the glowing reviews for that company's product at face value...........forgive me for being a little skeptical. 
Sansone, I hope this doesn't come across to you wrong.  No disrespect intended...  But your comment is disrespectful.  It implies a lack of integrity on the part of the people on this forum.  You can say that was not the intent, but read the words... it is what you said.
 
I am loyal to SWFA products for one reason and one reason only... they are far superior to anything else in the price range... they perform BETTER than advertised, they suit both a civilian and military need (very difficult to do), they stand up to extreme abuse (I let BigDaddy use my 10xHD and it STILL WORKS), and if anything should go wrong, SWFA has the best customer service of any sales organization I have ever dealt with. 
 
 


rest your sphincter friend. i simply said that because of prior experiences on a suppressor forum that turned out to be very slanted towards one product that turned out to have mediocre performance and QA/QC. Had nothing to do with my opinions of or experience with this forum. So far the information has been very enlightening, and the link i posted prior has me feeling much better about the SS line of scopes.

Has anyone had issues with the magnification ring being tight?
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Originally posted by Sansone556 Sansone556 wrote:


this article definitely has me leaning more towards the SS now.........
http://opticsthoughts.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=92%3Amid-range-tactical-part-1&catid=4%3Arifle-scope-reviews&Itemid=4




This article was written by resident optics expert, OT moderator, and over all good guy, Mr. Koshkin. 
We refer to him as "Dark Lord of Optics" and do so most reverently. 

So much for objectivity, huh? Wink

Concerning the power ring, my 3-9x SS has never been a problem and it turns smoothly and without effort.
I'm a huge fan of the 3-9x SS and it accompanies me on my "go to rifle" wherever I go.  

I can't say that I have ever read or heard of a 3-9x that was stiff, save the test mule mentioned by Mr. Koshkin, but I may have read that was the case on a 5-20x SS once. But, maybe I have and have forgotten. 
 
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My 3-9 is not to tight at all.  My 5-20 new was.  After working it for a while before mounting it tunred into much easier and friendlier. 
 
If you have reservations about turning it you can always at a cat-tail to it to make it much easier
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