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Hi all - I have had a Weaver V 4-16x42 on my SuperMatch since ~1989.  I understand the M1A has a fairly brutal recoil impulse, so I guess the Weaver must be pretty strong.
 
I shoot paper at 100 and 200 yards, and am using this rifle for occasional IDPA matches, which have multiple targets at 35-100 yards.   So I typically switch from scope to iron sights depending on the range to the target.
 
I've been considering a change, and was looking at the Nikon variables (I have a 5x20 Monarch on my RRA predator-pursuit, and really like it), and the new Weaver Tactical.
 
However, considering the recoil issues, should I really be looking at a fixed for the strength?
 
If so, obviously the SS 10x42 must be in the running, maybe also the Weaver fixed 10X.  
 
The real question for me revolves around the IOR Valdada 6x30 M2.  I've always liked the look of this scope and reticle.
 
Any thoughts, in particular on the IOR M2?
 
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For a guy that is only shooting out to 200 yds I think you already are using way too much scope.  The scope system that I have found the most plesant to use on an M1a is a 2moa red dot.  2moa being 2 inches at 100 yds and 4 inches at 200 but the dot is round the target is round the system just simply works and best of all cheekweld is no issue like it is with traditional scopes. Your group will actually improve due to that.  Mount it up using two 30mm rings  Badger, Warne, Burris would be my recomendation in that order.

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I have the IOR 4x M2 and it is a crazy tough scope.  I beat mine around alot with the way it gets use and it always holds a zero and works great.  
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I realize that rifles can vary in their stock design, weight, etc. which can all affect recoil. But I'm surprised to hear about an M1A considered to have heavy recoil. I've only fired one with iron sights but being a gas gun it didn't strike me as being that bad. It certainly felt like less than my .30-06 M1 or my Remington .308. I know if I get one the SS Variable would be my likely choice.
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to clarify - it is not that the M1A has heavy recoil - my Marlin lever-action 45/70 with +Ps has "heavy recoil"
 
.308 in a 14-pound semi-auto is a piece of cake - not as light as .223 in a 10-pound semi-auto, but very manageable.
 
it is that the various recoil impulses, with the bolt slamming back and forth, plus the added torque caused by the relatively high mounts is known to be hard on scopes - or so I've heard.
 
 
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Scopes can handle the kick of the gun going back it's the energy of the bolt slapping back closed that the scope manufacturers didnt count on.  Fixed power scopes with less moving parts seem to do the best.

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I shot a bunch of SA surplus ammo today, quasi practice for a MBR match tomorrow.   Found I group the same at 50 yards using the iron sights or the Millet DMS on 4x.   In fact, I had forgotten how good natl match irons are...

I'd use them only, but I do have old bad eyes.  So some kind of scope will stay on, but an iron sight compatible mount is a requirement.   Using a SA third generation now, but looking at the Sadlak airborne model - with Sadlak, you look over the rail at the iron sights,, with the SA you look under the rail - so it is 1/2" higher than the Sadlak.   1/2" will make a difference for the cheek weld when using the scope.
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Karsten cheek piece. http://www.imageseek.com/karsten/gallery/forsale

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I've seen them, just could not bring myself to drill into the heavy walnut stock on the supermatch.  I've got a govt model leather pad on there now - not the best, but removable without leaving a mark.
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Yea it sucks drilling the holes but it does make the rifle useable.
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The best mount I have used for M14s is the Brookfield and there are copies of this from Smith and others.

 
Next is ARMs.
 
I here good things of Sadlak but never used one
 
The Springfield is not very good from my experiences.
 
The Super Sniper I have run a bunch on M14s and found to work very well
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 I like the Idea of an S.S. 10X42 but you're not shooting that far so I would go with the I.O.R 4 fixed or the 6 fixed that is calibrated for that caliber. good luck Bandito
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