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I know this should be over in the rimfire section, but I figured it would get seen better here.  I'm about to buy a top quality .22LR, either a Kimber or a Cooper.  It will be used for squirrel hunting, target shooting and plinking.  No shots over 100 yds.  Some shots as close as 10 yds.  This will be a $900 -$1200 rifle that will shoot 1/2MOA with good ammo, so I'm willing to spend whatever it takes to get the best scope for it.  Suggestions?  Thanks for your input.
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There are a bunch of 2x7 Kahles rimfire models on the sample list.

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I bought a Kahles 2-7 for my .260 and wasn't impressed.  I have a Kahles CL 3-9 but it's too big for this rifle,  I have decided on a Cooper Jackson Squirrel Rifle.  Ordered it today.  I never thought I'd spend $1200 on a .22, but .... you can do stuff like that when you've been working 35 years.
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Is 1/16 MOA at 25 yds -1 MOA at 100 yds. No because high quality target grade 22 (Ely or Green label etc) will go subsonic and the group size changes unpredictably. If you get consistent groups from high velocity stuff (stinger etc.) out of a high grade target shooter you are one of the blessed. Just finding the best ammo for a 22 is one of the biggest and hopefully funnest. Getting the most expensive and finest scope for your 22 may make the gun/scope combination a thing to be awed, but the gun itself is severly ammo quality limited. If by chance Ely $10 a box works then- but what happens if you got a gun/scope that costs $2000 and only blazer shoots in it. I'd probably hide the blazer boxes. Usually about 9-12 X magnification works well in an all around situation without becoming to large for the gun. Are you getting a Bentz type or target chambered barrel or one for all purposes this has more to do with your choice than anything.
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Good points.  I should have said it's a 1/4 MOA at 50 yds rifle.  Cooper "guarantees"  that with certain ammo.  Of course, there using a 36X scope in controlled conditions.  My main objective will be to pop a squirrel at 50 yds, or certain other small varmints up to 100.  It will be a fun challenge finding the best ammo.  The only thing I'm sure of is that it won't be $10 a box Lapua.  Even with a really nice rifle, to me that defeats the purpose of a rimfire.  I was reading a test of a number of different .22 loads in a number of different quality rifles.  To summarize, the only consistency they found was inconsistency.
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After reading an article in one of the gun periodicals than highlighted " top of the line .22" that included the Kimber, Cooper and Anschutz, it was found that the Winchester Power Point shot amazingly tight groups. I own a Custom Classic 57M that is a true piece of art.When comparing the standard models, I think you will find that the Cooper is a much nicer rifle that the Kimber and that 1/4 inch group guarantee seals the deal. I saw several examples of the standard grade Kimber and I was not impressed considering the cost.

As far as scopes go, not that I am a huge Leupld fan but they do make a very nice 3-9 with an AO that should be perfect for that .22 of yours. Hope this helps. Dale brings out a  excellent point, it ws noted in several articles that for some reaon the Winchester Power Point shot very well in all the high grade .22 LR and was inexpensive compared to the match ammo tested. I guess it is one of those flukes that we come across every once in awhile. Also, don'y be to quick to disregard te Kahles 2-7 rimfire version scope. tis a top notch scope and head and shoulder above the Leupold mentioned above. It is not to say that the Leupold would be a bad choice, it's just why not put one of the best scopes on one of the finest rimfires money can butWith the exception of Cascade which cost over$3000. When comparing a Kimber to a Cooper, pay close attention to fit and finish ie. barrel channel inletting, stock finish and other fine fit and finish such as the fit and finish at the barrel channel. I think you will see a big difference cosidering the small price difference. You will not the purchase. One last think, when Rifleshooter Magazne tested these top flight preium .22, the Cooper cane out on top with all ammo tested. As I sad before, I am not a Kimer basher by any means and have several 84m's and a 8400 and they are excellent rifles. when it comes to .22, the Cooper is the clear winner!!!

ps: DON'T FORGET TO GET A BOREGUIDE AND A HIGH QUALITY COATED CLEARING ROD SUCH AS ONE OF THE ONEs FROM DEWEY. They can be purchased from Sinclair, Brunos zand several others, Very important.



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Thanks Roy.  I've got two Kimbers, an 84 in .260 and an 8400 in .300 WSM.  I had a Cooper Custom Classic in .243 that was gorgeous, but I didn't keep it.  I agree that Cooper is a step up from Kimber in just about evry respect.  I do like the light weight and balance of the .260 better than anything I've had.  The rifle will be delivered on Monday.  I'm still deciding on Kahles or the Leupold.  I'll put up a report after I get everything together.
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After looking throught the better Lepoulds, I bought the Kahles sight unseen and am glad I did so far.  The glass is sharper, not popping, but sharper.  It is sharp all the way to the edge, where as the Lepould was vigetting.  I like the cross hairs better.  The Lepould hairs are a bit too think.
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You will have no regrets!!! Cooper makes some of the finest rifles money can buy.Good luck on your great choice. Keep us posted. There are going to be some very unhappy squirrels in your neck of the woods Also, don't discard the Kahles 2-7 rimfire model, it is a an excellent rim fire scope and I believe it is parallax set for 75yrds. It has vastly superior optics to the Leupold.

 

P.S. I can'y wait till they come out with a  repeater version center fire!!! It is it the works and should be available sometime this summer. I have already ordered one site unseen if it will be available in .270.How can you go wrong, it's a Cooper!!!



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If you have any more questions. please feel fee to PM me. Hands down, the Cooper is the way to go !!!! You are going to be happier that a two peckered billygoat

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