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Howdy.  I recently purchased my first deer rifle, a Sako AV .25-06.

I'm not a hunting enthusiast and probably never will be, but here is why I bought this rifle:  I decided that it is time to personally pay the butchers bill.  I plan to harvest Central Texas hogs & deer for personal consumption.  Simple as that.  I have no desire to shoot living things unless I intend to eat 'em.  It is imperative to me that I quickly kill whatever I shoot.  I'm thinking 300yrds max range, low to bright light.

I did a fair amount of research into the rifle and I'm confident that it will do the job.  However, I have been presented with a lot of options on optics.  So, I'm posting on this forum to get more opinions.

I'm willing to pay $1k US max for a scope.  What would *you* get, and why?


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5747 Kahles 2.5-10x50 Helia CS Multizero 51824, Matte finish, 30mm tube, 4A reticle, side focus, the new redesigned and improved Kahles, very close to new condition. $1,879.00 $999.95
If I had a thousand dollars to spend on any scope to hunt with I would buy one of the Kahles Multizero scopes and the 2.5 to 10x50 is a good all around choice as you can put it on 2.5 while walking around or driving around and be able to get on target fast or you can take a solid rest and put it on 10x and dial in a shot at considerable distance. Since you are talking 300 yds and closer  you really do not need more than 10x on the high end. A 50mm objective will give you a 7mm exit eye pupil at 7power and lower which means it will gather lots of light and be very bright eaven at night up to 7 power and at 10 power you would have a 5mm exit eye pupil which is still quite bright. There are several ways to compensate for the arc of bullet trajectory. Some use balistic reticles which most fail to understand only work at the highest power, a situation that causes more game to be missed than hit. The best way to adjust for trajectory is to dial in compensation like one would do with a tactical scope using target knobs.  The down side of target knobs is that they catch on brush which can inadvertently turn the knob causing the adjustment to be different than what is expected. The multizero feature allows you to zero the scope at up to five different distances or with up to five different loads of bullets or any combination of the two. So you can zero at 100, 200, 250, 300, 350  I had a 25-06 for a while and for some reason it would only shoot the lighter bullets well probably due to the twist of the barrel, but it is a fine cartridge quite capable of taking any game found in Texas and I have heard of people using it on Elk as well.  I particularly like the Kahles as the glass is quite good and the reticle a bit heavier than some of the other european scopes.  I do not personally own one of the Kahles scopes and the scopes I have in that price range are Leupold mark 4 tactical scopes which I like very well for law enforcement use. I would love to have one of these Kahles multizero scopes they are much better glass than my Leupold's and if  I had a pocket full of money I would sure order one. Good luck with your dinner menu and welcome to opticstalk.


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Its hard to argue with the Kahles, I have one and its great.  I also have a Zeiss Conquest 3-9X40 and a Bushnell 4200 Elite 3-9X40.  I think any of these three would work great.  I think the Conquest has the best "plex" reticle as well as 4" of eye relief.  Another option would be:

6227 Swarovski 3-9x36 American Light Weight 52040, Matte finish, one inch tube, plex reticle, fast focus eye piece, resettable windage & elevation, light ring marks. $887.00 $649.95

or this one, althought its a little over your price

7257 Zeiss 2.5-10x42 Diavari VM/V 5216719908, Matte finish, #8 reticle, 30mm tube, fast focus eye piece, light ring marks, rub mark on occular end, factory certified refurbished, lifetime transferable warranty. $1,703.00 $1,199.95
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If I understand you correctly:  this scope has durable & fine enough precision mechanicals to enable coarse adjustments for accurate & quickly-set precise multi-50 & 100 yard solutions?  Do you have links to actual firing data to support this?

I'm not trying to be difficult... it's just that the details are all new to me and this scope will be my first (and most likely last) serious high-powered purchase for many years.
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I think I'd go with either a $250 Bushnell Elite 4200 in 3-9x40 or a Nikon Team Primos in 3-9x40 or Nikon Monarch 2-8x32 and I'd lean toward the 2-8x32. These are good solid scopes and unless you're taking game at the last possible bit of daylight they should be all you need. Zero the rifle dead on at 200yds and the bullet will hit a little high at 100yds and a bit low at 300 but should be close enough.

Since this is all new to you I'd invest $70 in an Appleseed riflemanship class. Money well spent! And another couple of hundred in making your first hunt a guided hunt unless friends are going to teach you.

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http://www.swfa.com/pc-1279-185-bushnell-25-10x50-elite-4200-rifle-scope.aspx

For your stated purpose, this is what I would go with. It's about half your budget and use the other half for target practice. And now you get a free jacket to go with it.  Kahles makes great scopes but right now the company is in transition until we get more info on whats happening, I personally am leary about recommending.

SWFA is a small Texas company with a great rep. You can't go wrong buying any of their scopes. Kahles or not, if you have a problem they'll make it right.   


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Originally posted by Tip69 Tip69 wrote:

Its hard to argue with the Kahles, I have one and its great.  I also have a Zeiss Conquest 3-9X40 and a Bushnell 4200 Elite 3-9X40.  I think any of these three would work great.  I think the Conquest has the best "plex" reticle as well as 4" of eye relief.  Another option would be:

6227 Swarovski 3-9x36 American Light Weight 52040, Matte finish, one inch tube, plex reticle, fast focus eye piece, resettable windage & elevation, light ring marks. $887.00 $649.95

or this one, althought its a little over your price

7257 Zeiss 2.5-10x42 Diavari VM/V 5216719908, Matte finish, #8 reticle, 30mm tube, fast focus eye piece, light ring marks, rub mark on occular end, factory certified refurbished, lifetime transferable warranty. $1,703.00 $1,199.95
 
I agree with tip, Conquest, or Kahles is pretty hard to argue with. Although concerned about Kahles right now.
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Swaro AH and done.  Ballistic reticule will get you on target at range.


Be advised, Texas hogs are nasty.  Your .25-06 is great for deer, but for Texas hogs, be sure you put the bullet in the right place.  Deer are fragile; hogs, not so much.  If you don't hit the heart, brain, spine, or BOTH LUNGS, Miss Piggy will walk with a limp for ahwile, but otherwise live a long and reproductive life after your shot - and she might just be pissed off at you, so work on follow-up shots too.

Where in Texas are you hunting hogs?
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+1 on Rancid Coolaid's reply.  The .25-06 is a little light, but if you're good with it then you won't have any problems. 
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Be advised, Texas hogs are nasty.  Your .25-06 is great for deer, but for Texas hogs, be sure you put the bullet in the right place.  Deer are fragile; hogs, not so much.  If you don't hit the heart, brain, spine, or BOTH LUNGS, Miss Piggy will walk with a limp for ahwile, but otherwise live a long and reproductive life after your shot - and she might just be pissed off at you, so work on follow-up shots too.
You know it might not be a bad idea to invest that $1000 in a $250 scope for the 25-06, and a second $200-250 scope with a $400 .308 or 30-06 Howa to under it. Just a thought. Wink


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My new favorite short-range hog gun is a 45/70 with 400-grain flat-tip jacketed lead core.  For longer range, nothing has yet run from the 300WM, though all shots have been brain or spine.


Shot a 40-pound hog 3 weeks ago at 15 yards with an HK45, dropped like a sack o' hammers, briefly did the kick'in chick'in.

At the end of the day, it is mostly about shot placement - and some about what you put there with that placement.  Your 25-06 should do fine on smaller pigs, I wouldn't try to take a 250+ with it, might just really piss it off.
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Not to hijack this thread but on the Outdoor Channel I watched a guy shooting hogs with a scoped Benelli SBE 2 slug gun. Those hogs acted like they had been struck by lightning when hit with a slug.
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Originally posted by SamC SamC wrote:

Not to hijack this thread but on the Outdoor Channel I watched a guy shooting hogs with a scoped Benelli SBE 2 slug gun. Those hogs acted like they had been struck by lightning when hit with a slug.
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Did they catch on fire?
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Getting back on topic, optics recommendations:

Conquest
Swaro
Bushnell 6500



My vote is the Swaro, great scopes, crystal clear, very repeatable, great optics.
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http://www.swfa.com/c-666-kahles-helia-cl-multizero-riflescopes.aspx
 
here is another way to accomplish trajectory compensation
This is the one I have
LEU60035 Leupold%203.5-10x40%20Mark%204%20LR/T%2030mm%20Riflescope%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20 Leupold 3.5-10x40 Mark 4 LR/T 30mm Riflescope
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  • 1st Focal Plane Tactical Milling Reticle
  • 30mm
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  • Free Leupold Flip-Open Lens Covers
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but you could use this with kenton knobs
LEU51182 Leupold%203.5-10x40%20Mark%204%20LR/T%2030mm%20Riflescope%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20 Leupold 3.5-10x40 Mark 4 LR/T 30mm Riflescope
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mjordan,

I hunt hogs all the time with a .25-06 and have never had a problem dropping them in their tracks.  Of course, I usually shoot them in the head between the eye and ear, so they react as if struck by the hammer of Thor.  With a good, stoutly constructed, controlled expansion bullet, I have had little problem with the .25-06 behind the shoulder at the typical distances I shoot hogs, which is usually less than 100 yards.  But, in general, I agree with RC in that the .257" pill is a little light for such a tough animal.  As such, I usually use either my .308, .300 or 7 mags for hogs.
 
As for scopes under $1K, you've received some good advice.  However, for another option, I would highly consider the Trijicon 3-9X40 with the amber triangle reticle.  You have instant, full-time reticle illumination for low light hunting (when hogs are most active), and this reticle is extremely fast.  These scopes are very nice optically, about on par with the Zeiss Conquest IMO.  With a 200 yard zero, you can aim dead-on out to your stated max 300 yards with no need to adjust knobs.

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That too is a good recommendation.  I will probably buy a Trijicon eventually, good glass for the money, and allot to be said for no-battery illumination at dawn and dusk.
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If your goal is quick target acquisition the Accupoint is as good as it gets. The Swaro will give a little better low light performance. I own both and really like the Trijicon. 
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The "Swarovski American 3-10X42," with the Ballistic Reticle for hold over, would be great. As would the "Trijicon Accupoint 2.5-10x56." I personally would not want to be sitting there making adjustments on my Kahles Multizero when hunting Texas Hogs. Things can get ugly quick. The "Zeiss Conquest 3.5-10X50 with the Rapid Z 600" Hold over reticle is another great option. If you don't like the hold over reticles all of these are available in different style reticles or, you could also look at the "Bushnell Elite 6500 2.5-16X50."


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 Man do I agree with Chris ... I never had the opportunity to hunt those hogs but watched a special on it ... THEY ARE ONE DANGEROUS game to hunt ! And they don't go down easy ! They will attack with vengance ... also i think I would hunt them from a tree .... even with my 30.06 's . LOL 

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Have to go with the Kahles opinion, regardless of the company status.  The 2.5-10 is my fav scope, hands down for long range big game.
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Their eye site is terrible.  Hunt them at night and you can walk right up to them (though I wouldn't recommend it.)


I'm a no-go on Kahles till they get their act together.  It doesn't mean the scope ain't great, just that I want to know someone will take care of my scope if there is a problem.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Where in Texas are you hunting hogs?


Most likely central to SE, north of the Laredo, east/south of San Angelo, west of Austin.  Not too much area :)

Thanks for all the input, y'all.  I still haven't decided what to do.  I'm taking my time so far... :)
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