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I've got a CZ 527 Carbine in 7.62x39 on the way and need some scope suggestions.  I'm looking for a variable power, short, lightweight scope at least 32mm in size.  People seem to have problems mounting scopes on these little rifles.  Most people state that they can not mount the scope as far forward as needed.  Does this mean that I need a scope with short eye relief?  I don't want to spend more than around $200-$250.  These are the three that I have my eye on.  Any suggestions or comments would be much appreciated.
 
Weaver 2.5-7x32 Classic V Rifle Scope
 

Burris 2-7x35 Fullfield II Rifle Scope
http://www.swfa.com/pc-5648-203-burris-2-7x35-fullfield-ii-rifle-scope.aspx

 


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 I figured I'd post a pic of the rifle as I don't see where the mounting problem you describe can be but then I haven't dealt with one.
 
  I'd also add this to your list:
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Kev, the further forward you mount the scope (increase distance from your eye) the longer the eye relief is. In doing this you limit the available scope options.
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The LOP on that CZ carbine is 13.5" which is pretty much the standard length for LOPs. I don`t see why or how there would be an eye relief problem regardless of any scope you  choose.
 
Any particular reason for a minimum objective size of 32mm? Also, what is your best guess as to your hunting ranges? Type of game? Terrain?  
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Thanks for the quick response.  I probably was not clear when I was describing the problem. As I understand it, the problem exists(probably bcause of the rifle's small deminsions) when you mount the scope in the normal position with the turrents equally spaced between the rings, the scope will be too close to your eye to see, so you move the scope forward and it is still too close.  Then you move the scope forward as far as possible and the scope is still too close to see.  This is what makes me think that I need a scope with  as short of eye relief as I can find.  Is my logic correct???
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I'm looking at 32mm because I want to keep the scope as light as possible.  I'll be using the gun as a whitetail brush gun with most shots taken at less than 100 yards.
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Yes in the described instance you will need short relief. I would recommend a scout scope type of mounting system. This will allow the mounting of the scope further from your face. Do some research before making any purchases, questions asked here will get responses. There are several here that have experience to tackle most if not all of your possible problems.
 
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  Hey Kevin,excuse my bad manners. WELCOME to OT!
  First off it's not the "normal position" for the turrets to be centered.  It's got to be postioned so you get a full view through it.  Actually it sounds as if the scope needs to be be moved to the rear. Also it's not the rifles small dimensions causing any problem as the one that matters the most is length of pull,which as Squeezer pointed out,is right on spec.
  I just noticed that on that rifle the comb has a fairly good amount drop to it(looks to be like my Husqvarna stock).  I find I have to anchor my face higher on the Husky stock  than on my other rifles to get a proper image through the scope. NOT a problem.  Also,the scope on the rifle in the ad I posted seems to be in a good position for a full view or if not there is plenty of room for adjustment.


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dKevin...................Here`s what I have! A 35.5" long Ruger Frontier 300 WSM w/ 16.5" barrel and a LOP of only 12.5 inches. The scope that is on it now is the (9.5 oz) 1.5-5x20 VX111. I don`t have any eye relief issues. Don`t worry about centering the turrets evenly
between the rings.
 
Your best choice for even a lighter weight compact scope AND for your type of hunting (100 yards and less in the thickets), will be a faster aiming, with a wider FOV and lower powered straight tubed scope. Too bad you cannot budget more for the 1.5-5x20 VX3.
 
And even if your hunting extends out to 300-400 yards, 4x and 5x on the hi-end is good enough for deer sized animals.
 
You gotta a handy rifle there. For that rifle, a lower powered straight tubed variable will be a better choice FOR the hunting you`ll be doing.
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  I was thinkin the same thing on 20mm scopes but as you know there's not alot out there in his price range. Nikon's got two if he could stretch his budget a bit more:
 
 
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those are cool little rifles!
I like CZs, have a few

yeah, any of those scopes would be good
I would pose the question regarding mounting on Graybeardoutdoors.com's CZ section as well as the CZ forum itself
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I have heard of some eye relief issues with CZ-527 stemming from the fact that the action is very short (micro-Mauser) and the front ring is comparatively close to you.  Because of that you can not move the scope forward far enough if you very tall and/or are a stock crawler.  For a lot of medium sized people it works fine.

If you are indeed one of the people for whom this is a concern you need a scope not only with short eye relief, but also with a turret that is comparatively close to the eyepiece.

One thing you could do is see if there are some bases that convert from CZ dovetail to Weaver.  That would give you some more options.

If you want to use the rings without any adaptors (I would go this route), here are some scope options for you that, I think, would fit the rifle well:

Vortex Diamondback 1.75-5x32
Sightron S2 4x32
Weaver V3 1-3x20

ILya

I would suggest you
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Great responses.  I appreciate the help.  I'm leaning toward the Vortex Diamondback.  I know it's not a good reason to choose a scope, but I just don't like the way the straight tubed 20mm scopes look.  I did see someone on one of the CZ forums reference a Weaver V7.  Is this an older version of the Classic V Series?  I cant seem to find much info on the V7.  Thanks again.
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  Well,Weaver made a V7 when they were steel tubed scopes and they're making  them in both a rimfire and centerfire version now:
 
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