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I'm buying a Kilber Montana in 7mm08 for eastern whitetail inside 150 yrd.s. Probably inside 100 most of the time. I've got other guns for other purposes so I want to keep this gun as light as I can and still meet the need. The only consideration now is the scope. I want a scope of @1.5 to 4, maybe to 6? Higher mags seems useless for the purpose if they cost me any dawn/dusk performance or drive up the weight. I'm 55 and I've been advised that my eyes probably don't dilate beyond 5mm these days making a larger exit whatsit usless to me. Is this so? Without some really compelling persuasion I wouldn't want to pay over $1000. The options are many and I don't know which variables are critical. Will an illuminate reticle really help? Here are the scopes I've considered:

Khales 1.5-6x42 - Heavy bright clear

IOR CTR 1.1-4x26 - Heavish, tough, bright, clear but will it let in enough light

Tijicon TR21R 1.25-24 - light wt. narrow fld. of view, optics quality?

Is the 24mm object adequate?

Burris Euro Diamond 1.5-6x40 - Heavy, bright, clear, illum. optional, optics quality?

Bushnell 4200 1.5-6x36 - bright clear,narrow fld. of view

I had one and it seemed a good scope for the money with some limitations

Leupold VX!!! 1.75-6x32 - Light wt. narrow fld. of view.

Which one? Why?[:-B]Which one? Why?[/B] [:o)]
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Out of the scopes you have listed I would prefer the Khales 1.5X6X42. This scope is extremly bright, has great resoultion, and very high light transmission. Khales is of the highest quality so you know it is money well spent on this scope. The 1st plane reticle will help you alot in low light situations at the higher magnifications,(hence the more you turn up the mag. ring the large the reticle will become.) If you want to spend a few hundred dollars more I would look at the Zeiss V/MV 1.5X6X42 in the 11 reticle. This is a very heavy 3 post reticle that I think is probably is the best reticle choice for low light hunting without having an illuminated reticle which will cost a few more hundred dollars. The Zeiss is one of the lightest 42mm scopes on the market which would be great on the light Kimber Montana. As far as weight and length of the Zeiss the scope is 14 ounces and 12.3 inches long in 30mm tube. I've compared this scope side by side with a Swarovski PH 2.5X10X56 in illuminated reticle and the Zeiss in 42mm is every bit as bright as the 56mm Swarovski in very low light. The illuminated reticle of the Swarovskiis helpful in low light, but the 11 reticle of the Zeiss V/MV can be seen very well in low light at 4 to 6 power. Hope this helps in your choice! Brian

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holzauge, it always makes me happy to know that there are people out there buying rifles like yours to hunt whitetails. I have a Kimber 84M in 7-08 with a 2.5-8 Leupold and you would be hard pressed to find a better whitetail rig. That said, I don't think that you are going to need to shell out a grand to find the right scope for your Kimber. I will say that the person who told you that you would not benefit from a scope with an exit pupil greater that 5mm perhaps did not know that scopes with high quality optics and lens coatings will transmit more light through a scope with a 5-6mm exit pupil. In short, you will benefit from a scope that transmits the most amount of light possible through the use of quality lens/coatings technology. If I may, You could go with a Kahles American 2-7x36(12oz.) that will set you back about 560 bucks. You also mentioned two of my favorites for your rifle, the Elite 4200 1.5-6x36 and the Leupold 1.75-6x32 which can be had with a heavy duplex reticle for low light shooting situations. Good luck and happy hunting.

 

 

 

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Yea, another Kimber owner  I've got an 84 Classic in .260 with a 2.5X8 VX III.  As said before, this is a great setup.  I've also got a Montana in .308.  This gun is not scoped yet, as it had to go back to Kimber because the receiver was drilled wrong and the bases wouldn't fit (even Kimber messes up now and then, but they were great about fixing it; new receiver).  This gun will be my short range brush gun, and will probably get a Kahles 2X7X36.  As for the 1.5X6 range, I've got a Burris Signature Safari 1.75X5 on a 45-70 lever action.  It's a great scope, but on anything less than 2X you see the end of the barrell through the scope, and that bothers me a lot.  Does this bother anybody else?  As a result, I never use the lower end of the range, so anything below 2X or 2.5X isn't useful for me.  Kimber just called and my Montana will be back today  I guess SWFA will get some more of my money soon

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i agree with Roy about spening a grand on a scope. i too think you would be better suited with a kahles american, or i think i would get the leupold 1.75-6 with heavy duplex. but either is a great choice.
 
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The exit pupil info. is good info. if you were buying a binocular because the exit pupil is constant.  A variable scope will produce a drastically different size exit pupil depending on the power setting.  Having an exit pupil larger than your eye can perceive is beneficial for quick shots and or running shots.

 

Its hard to beat the Leupold 1.75-6x32 for your application.  It's light, bright, excellent eye relief and a wide field of view.  The Kahles 2-7 also fits the bill nicely if you don't mind spending a little more money.

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Chris, just figured the gentleman didn't want the long version on " exit whatsit ".
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I am your age.I picked up a Kahles 3-9x42 1" off the Sample List for $469.Rifle is 6.5x55.Am quite happy w/ scope.It replaced a Leupold 2-8x36 VX3.Most shots are short range,however some are acroos farm fields/powerline clear cuts.For me having the extra mag power is nice.Scope is bright,clear & light.Didn't change the feel either.Throw it to your shoulder & it's right there.Just my ante.
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Thanks guys!

I dropped the 4200 and Leupold form my list because of the narrow field of view. The Nikon, and Burris because of weight. I'm down to a final 3. I'm 90% sure the IOR's 1.1-4x is enough mag. The question is will the illuminated reticle make it more useful than the other two in low light? I'm hoping to see the other two and maybe the IOR at an upcoming gun show. I can't imagine that the Zeiss can really be that much better than the Khales optically but I've got a friend who's had two Khales scopes get moisture in them so that the reticles corroded. Khales made it good but than pretty underwhelming when I've never had that happen in a Leupold or Bushnell 4200 at 1/2 the price.

ANY THOUGHTS?

Khales 1.5-6x42 - Heavy bright clear - pricey but maybe woth it.

Zeiss VM/V - Heavy bright clear - Probably not worth the difference.

Available with illum. but the price makes me quesy.

IOR CTR 1.1-4x26 - Heavyish, tough, bright, clear lots of scope for the money.

Will the Illum. help? Is the 24mm object adequate in this shorter scope?
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Well if you decide on the Zeiss V/MV 1.5X6X42 you will not have to worry on the reticle corroding for Zeiss uses laser etching to etch the glass. I don't know much about IOR. Well good luck on your choice, holzauge!!! Brian

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Nothing like joining the conversation 3 years later.

What became of this string?   I'm trying to top a 350 Rem Mag in a Model 600.   A small Leupold is the way I'm leaning but,,,,,

Does anyone out there now of an exceptional open site system?   
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Always favoured aperature sights.  Also called "ghost ring" in many areas.  Exceptionally fast and rugged, just don't get too small of a peep or else get one where you can change sizes.  Small peep is ok for sighting in.  Used a Williams for many years until the eyes got too old.  Would need to talk to someone more knowledgable to see what types would be best for your rifle & if drilling & tapping required.
 
Have a look here for some ideas, models 1310 & 1311 are for Rem 600-660:
 


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