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Budget is $400. I am considering the Sightron II 1 1/2-6x40mm for about $200/ Burris Select 1 1/2-6x40mm for $350/ Leupold VX III 1 3/4 - 6x32 for $400, Leupold VX II 2-7x33mm for $300/ Bushnell 4200 1 1/2-6x36mm for about $340. I will mount it on my Ruger 338 win mag stainless. Anything wrong with the Sightron II for $200? Appreciate any advice you may have/ Chaz
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Chazgreen -

From you list, I would tell you to go with the Bushnell.  Two I would recommend that are not on your list, both ahead of the Bushnell, would be the Zeiss Conquest and Kahles.  I think the Conquest can be had for $400 right now, the Kahles would need to be pre-owned (check the samplelist).  I think you'd find the 4X fixed Kahles just perfect for such a hunt.

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Go with the 4200 Elite..You would have to double your money to gain any ( maybe a little) optical clarity over this model, plus the Rainguard would definitely provide an advantage in Alaska.
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i would use the zeiss because its a great scope its inside your price range from your list and its got the constant 4" or eye relief for your .338
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I like the glass on the bushnell 4200 but to tell you the truth I TRUST the Leupold VXIII and when you are taking about hunting where the inhabitants will eat you ------ I'd buy the Leupold,         I might consider a U.S. Optics$$ or a Schmidt Bender$$ but I know the Leupold will take a beating and still keep working. If it was only deer hunting in an area without bears I might go with a Sightron or one of the other scopes but I would have to have several years of experience with it to trust it especially on a high recoil gun.  I might trust the Bushnell 4200 after a little time with it but I definately have had some problems with Burris scopes in the last two years that say no way.

LEU55036 Leupold 1.75-6x32 VX-III Riflescope                                                                                     Leupold 1.75-6x32 VX-III Riflescope
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I've used  4200's on a 340 Weatherby and a 45/70 Marlin Guide Gun extensively for years now and no issues, Plus , I own several 2.5-10 4200's and no worries at all. Admittedly, I have 3 VX-III's 2.5-8's and they have been reliable also, but they lack Rainguard and are more expensive .

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Chaz, I'm doing the same hunt and have a 300 WM with a Conquest.  For the bear that takes a hit and keeps coming, I have a Ruger Alaskan Guide revolver in .454 Casull.  If 3 rounds from the rifle and 6 rounds from the .454 don't stop Smokey, I'm destined for hunting failure and a quick departure from this world.

 

Confidence is the name of the hunting game.  I have much confidence in Zeiss (and little in Leupold, but that's a different post) and am gaining with my Bushnell 4200.  Buy the best you can afford and still have $$ left over to shoot.  I advise you not go cheap: nothing would suck more than your $5,000 hunting trip ruined by a crapped out $200 scope.

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The Bushnell 4200 probably doesnt have as much internal adjustment as the VXIII but the glass is quite good on the Bushnell 4200. I just have not had one on a heavy caliber yet, probably will pick up a 4-16x40 for a 30-06 very soon.

 

The Zeiss should be a good choice and the 3-9 is a good price on Samplelist.



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LEU55036 Leupold 1.75-6x32 VX-III Riflescope                                                                                     Leupold 1.75-6x32 VX-III Riflescope
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On your list I would chose the VX-III or the 4200. The VX-III is more forgiving with eye relief and is well established for taking a beating. The smaller objective is plenty bright enough and the low profile is a bit easier to carry through the alders.

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I would probably go with the SIghtron.  I've never heard of any durability issues with them and at $200, it is an absolute steal. 

Of the scopes that have failed on me over the last few years, Leupold (VX-II for the most part) has stood out as the one with the most problems, so I think that the "bulletproof" reputation Leupold has, is either a thing of the past or is simply based on anecdotal evidence.  Now my experience is also insignificant, statistically speaking, and also anecdotal.   From  what I've seen, I'd say most decent brands are similarly reliable: Elite 4200, Leupold VX-III, Burris, Sightron, etc.

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From my experience the Elite and V3 are very durable, anecdotal for sure. The Signature breakdown I had occurred with a 6-24 Signature. That doesn't go for all Burris scopes since I still have several. It has made me gun shy, though.

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I would be concerned with the mounts, I would want a mount on that rifle that allows co-witnessing of the iron sights

the bear you meet may be a big brown griz up close instead of a smaller black. I have been to Alaska and I am impressed with the intelligence and size of those bears. Don`t make the mistake of underestimateing them .

 

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Chris Farris/ please feel free to jump in here; I value your opinion/experience/ Chaz
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More bear stuff ( I like bears they are fun to watch as long as they are not chaseing you)

http://www.alaskareport.com/lehmer70003.htm

 

http://www.emeraldairservice.com/photo1.htm

 

And if you change you mind and slip off to Las Vegas and still need some bear photos to show at home of the great hunt

 

http://www.animatronicbear.com/semirealistic.html

 

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Chazgreen!!!!.....................First of all, pick the best variable that suits the caliber for which you are shooting!!!! Not specifically for a black bear or any other game animal...............Your .338 Win. is an excellent long range shooter. So in my view, it would be necessary to have a scope that would cover the shorter, medium range shots AND longer shots as well...........For your 338, my best advice if given the same set of circumstances as yourself, would be to get a 3 X 9 variable or a 2.5 X 10!  Those two are your best all around variables......On the low end, the 2.5 or 3x, for the shorter shots, at say 30 to 40 yards or so, will give you a good field of view for bears in that short range situation.  And then of course, you are going to have better capability on the higher magnifications, just in case, you ever need it!!!! You just may need that some day!!!!!...............................Alot of people will give you plenty of advice, including myself, as to which scope to buy. Keep in mind that like you, I too was a shopper who diligently did some research, read articles and did homework before making my purchase!!!.......Before my purchase, my questions were simple;;; "What scope on the market today, gives the best value for the dollar,,,, AND WHY???  AND/OR "Which scope gives the best feature/benefit ratio to the dollar spent?" Many will give their opinions and say go with this or go with that, but don`t offer a detailed explanation as to why!!!....Remember too, that I have NO loyalty to any manufacturer, but I will give you my best, honest opinion based on my own hunting/shooting experience of 35 years!..........................Purchased last March, I own the Bushnell Elite 4200 in the 3 X 9!!!...WHY?.......Several reasons!.....First, starting with it`s CONSTRUCTION and DURABILITY, the Elite 4200 utilizes a one piece main tube made from a combo of aluminum and titanium alloy which gives it superior strength, ( by 30%), over the standard aluminum tubes. This scope has been recoil tested by Bushnell, for thousands of rounds sitting on a 375 H&H. It is shockproof, rainproof, snowproof, fogproof,,,you name it proof!!!........Secondly, all OPTICS are fully coated and feature the added Rainguard benefit, which really does work!!! You will never, never, under ANY weather situation, lose a shot because of a partially blurry scope lens!!! The Elite`s lenses will remain as clear as a bell at all times!!!.....The optical clarity and resolution on the Elite are simply outstanding in all magnifications!! The Zeiss Conquest though SLIGHTLY brighter, is also more money. But the Elite is just as clear. I compared the Elite and the Conquest and could not justify the extra cost.......This scope is very easy to zero. Has easy to read adj`s w/ audible clicks!!! JUST SET IT and FORGET IT!!!! Has a fast focus on the front eyepiece thats very quick to adjust for any quick target acquistion.........However, the Elite 4200 does have a shorter eye relief. Well! I don`t have a problem with my 300 WSM compact weighing only 7 lbs. 5oz. with scope, even when using my hotter hunting reloads. Your .338 is heavier!!!!! The Elite does have a rubber coated eye piece!!!..........In looking at and comparing the construction, durability, optical clarity, plus the Rainguard of the Elite 4200, to the Leupold VX111, to the Nikon Monarch, to the Zeiss Conquest, (my final top 4 choices), as well as others, I have concluded,,,,THAT FOR THE MONEY,,,, the Elite 4200, is the best scope on the market, with the best features and benefits vs. to dollars spent ratio!!!!........Others for about the same money or price range, may compare to a degree, but there is none better than the Elite 4200!!!! If so, I`d own it instead!!!..............If someone out there can come up with a BETTER scope, for the SAME money and effectively justify WHY, I`m waiting and watching. I`d sure like to know!!!  
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For the money, Sightron S2, as it is currrently priced, is probably a better deal.  The glass is in the ballpark, mechanical reliability is about the same.  Eye relief is longer and more flexible. Windage/Elevation adjustments are as good or better and the adjustment range is substantially greater.

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Did look at the Sightron S2............Sorry!!!!!........Taking everything into account, I couldn`t see a better scope in the S2!..... Perhaps equal but not better!!!!
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S2 is not a better scope than Elite 4200, but it is cheaper.

 

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Just an idea here but if you are going to camp out where the big bears sleep you might want something with a lit reticle that doesnt have to be turned on.

TR21R Trijicon 1.25-4x24 Accu-Point Rifle Scope                                                                               Trijicon 1.25-4x24 Accu-Point Rifle Scope
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http://www.trijicon.com/specialties/hunting.cfm

I believe that the lower magnification range is preferable when hunting dangerous game in the wild. Or you could wear a bear suit

http://www.animatronicbear.com/semirealistic.html and carry a jar of  vasoline.

 

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3786 Trijicon 3-9x40 AccuPoint TR20, Matte finish, 1" tube, amber fiber optic tritium illuminated reticle, fast focus eye piece, 100% new in box, display model $720.00 $429.95



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So, I have decided to buy the Bushnell 1 1/2-6x36.........went to SWFA's site & they no longer carry it. Went to competitor USA's site & they don't carry it. Does ANYONE know a site where I might get a fair price for the scope? Again, thanks/ Chaz
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They're out there ...Try putting 4200 1.5-6 in yahoo or google search or can try that big online auction site...



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