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OK. I'm struggling with a decision for a scope that will go on a new Tikka T3 Lite Stainless rifle in 7mm-08. This is going to be a rig that I'll use for deer end pronghorn in open country and the occasional cow elk. It will go with me everywhere, and will spend a lot of time bouncing around in the back of the SUV (you never know when a coyote might present itself!).

After some trigger time, I'm usually pretty comfortable shooting to 350 yards or so, and I might even take a good shot on an antelope at 400 yards if it were a nice set-up and getting closer wasn't an option.

My absolute maximum budget is $450, and less would be better. For personal reasons I won't buy Leupold. I also am not interested in Elites.

What scope would you buy? What magnification range? What reticle?

I've been looking at Burris, Mueller, Nikon, Pentax, Sightron and Weaver so far, and I have a few favorites. But I'd really like to know what people with more experience and knowledge than I would do. Thanks.
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GREAT caliber -

 

i would go 12 power for a max - and would entertain the idea of a ballistic plex reticle or regular plex.

 

the 'holdover' for that caliber shouldn't be too extreme - it is relatively flat around 200 after sighting it in an inch and a half or so high at 100.

 

as for make, model - i would look at bushnell elite 4200's - great glass or nikon, or burris.

 

is lowlight an issue?

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Low light will rarely be an issue. Most of the hunting will be done in arid, high-desert conditions with plenty of sunshine.

Also, I forgot to mention that I will be using a rangefinder.

Since I won't buy Bushnell, could you elaborate on the actual models you'd recommend from other manufacturers? Thanks!
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http://www.samplelist.com/

 

Have you looked here?

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One other thing: As you may have surmised from my user name, I'm an avid shotgunner, so I have a tendency to mount my head fairly low.

What size objective should I be considering?
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i would say 40mm tops. 

 

i can understand why on the loopys, but why NO on the elites?

 

this one would be an excellent choice:

 

http://www.swfa.com/pc-6850-218-nikon-4-12x40-monarch-ucc-ri flescope.aspx

 

and if you didn't want adjustable objective (which i am not a huge fan of) you could do this one:

 

http://www.swfa.com/pc-6840-220-nikon-45-14x40-buckmaster-ri flescope.aspx

 

i like the BDC reticle too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Originally posted by jonbravado jonbravado wrote:

i would say 40mm tops. 


 


i can understand why on the loopys, but why NO on the elites?


 


this one would be an excellent choice:


 


http://www.swfa.com/pc-6850-218-nikon-4-12x40-monarch-ucc-ri flescope.aspx


 


and if you didn't want adjustable objective (which i am not a huge fan of) you could do this one:


 


http://www.swfa.com/pc-6840-220-nikon-45-14x40-buckmaster-ri flescope.aspx


 


i like the BDC reticle too.


 


 



 


 


 


 


 



I've been to half a dozen well-respected shops in the area checking out rifles & scopes over the last few weeks and every single one of them said they've had complaints from hunters who were out hunting for a few days during our rainy November about moisture problems with their Elites.

Now, I don't know if this is just rumor gone wild or not, but since I live in that rainy climate, I'd prefer not to take any chances.

I refuse to buy Leupold until their prices match their product.

Is an AO that much of a pain in the butt? I tend to prefer simple...
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the side focus is nice, and helps w/ parrallax out at long ranges, so that may be a great choice - nikon makes nice scopes.

and since lowlight isn't an issue, it will perform well.

 

what do you think about that reticle? it's pretty sharp and should be close enough for the 7mm08.

 

Let us know what you decide.

 

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Those "well respected shops" are sometimes know as "non-Elite-stocking dealers". If there were any truth to that it would be very easy to find such rumors all over INTERNET forums, especially from folks that favor competing scopes. I know the first place I could find that type of rumor, and frankly I haven't.
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I am yet to find a "well respected shop", all have been bias in some way or another towards thier

"stocked" products as Roy has mentioned.

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Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

Those "well respected shops" are sometimes know as "non-Elite-stocking dealers".


Look, I don't know what the deal is...I'm just playing it safe.

But all the shops are Bushnell dealers...that's why they were hearing the complaints from their customers.
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Originally posted by seattlesetters seattlesetters wrote:

Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

Those "well respected shops" are sometimes know as "non-Elite-stocking dealers".


Look, I don't know what the deal is...I'm just playing it safe.

But all the shops are Bushnell dealers...that's why they were hearing the complaints from their customers.

 

Where these the same shop/customers that said the Gameseeker was made by Burris?

 

http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=5080&PN=1& amp;TPN=2

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Originally posted by SVD666 SVD666 wrote:

Originally posted by seattlesetters seattlesetters wrote:

Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

Those "well respected shops" are sometimes know as "non-Elite-stocking dealers".
Look, I don't know what the deal is...I'm just playing it safe. But all the shops are Bushnell dealers...that's why they were hearing the complaints from their customers.


 


Where these the same shop/customers that said the Gameseeker was made by Burris?


 


http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=5080&PN=1& amp;TPN=2



Yep. One of them was.

That shop was summarily scratched from the list. ;-)

And, unless I go with Sightron, I will be buying from SWFA. It's a great, useful forum they have here and I'm more than happy to grant them my business for being able to use it.
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SWFA is very good choice as a place to shop for alot of products.
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Originally posted by jonbravado jonbravado wrote:

the side focus is nice, and helps w/ parrallax out at long ranges, so that may be a great choice - nikon makes nice scopes.

and since lowlight isn't an issue, it will perform well.

 

what do you think about that reticle? it's pretty sharp and should be close enough for the 7mm08.

 

Let us know what you decide.

 

J

 

I like this advice.  The Monarch is a very nice scope that should do well for your applications.

I hate to see that you've eliminated the Elite 4200 series.  Here in the southeastern US I have never heard the problems you have described.  I don't want to say that your local store is biased but their opinions don't seem to be consistant with that of most worldwide forums and chat room that discuss these "issues."

Good luck to you.

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Have you checked the Sample list yet?

There are some good deals on there that may strike your fancy.

 

I asked this earlier in this thread, but you blew me off.

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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Have you checked the Sample list yet?


There are some good deals on there that may strike your fancy.


 


I asked this earlier in this thread, but you blew me off.



Not blowing you off at all. I appreciate all the help I can get.

I'm just holding out for a few more suggestions before I get down to shopping.

So, keep 'em comin'!
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I'm really liking these, along with a Sightron SII 3-12x42mm Mil-Dot.  Any thoughts?







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i would say out of the above.......the buckmaster w/ BDC reticle / the monarch UCC (if you don't mind adjustable Obj) / or the burris signiture select.

 

i would lean towards the buckmaster because of the side focus - and you are primarily hunting in daylight - so optics will be better more than adequate.

 

J

 

if not those, try an elite 4200  - i am telling you, they are rock solid !!!!! ok, i am done ranting - go w/ the buckmaster.

 

J

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Can anyone tell me what the difference (other than price) between a Pentax Pioneer and a Pentax WTU?  The specs on the two scopes pictured above are identical...what about the glass?

Also, would I hate a 44mm objective?
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the 44 would possibly cause you to mount the scope a step higher -

 

so if you like the 'shotgun' feel of looking through scopes, i would stick to the 40mm's

 

i really don't know about the pentax line too much - i can speak highly of the nikons.

they UCC nikons are very nice scopes - but for daytime, you should be fine w/ the buckmaster line.

 

if you don't mind the adjustable objective, get the Monarch UCC, it's the best of the bunch, IMO

(not considering pentax as a 'tried and true' brand, of course)

 

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First, great choice on cartridge and firearm.

I have had great success with factory and handloads in my Tikka 7-08.

For the scope, I would look at 4.5-14X.

I have  a preference for Burris.

Fullfields are great, Signatures are fantastic.

I just traded a Nikon Buckmaster 4.5-14 with sidefocus.

Not as clear as I'd hoped.

Nice scope and nice finish...I feel my Burris Fullfield glass is better.

 

If this is going to be a truck gun, consider upgrading the mounts from the standard Tikka.

I haven't had any problems but they don't seem all that sturdy.

Good luck.

Where do you shoot?

I live and shoot in the Issaquah area.

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Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40.

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Originally posted by thinkingman thinkingman wrote:

First, great choice on cartridge and firearm.

I have had great success with factory and handloads in my Tikka 7-08.

For the scope, I would look at 4.5-14X.

I have  a preference for Burris.

Fullfields are great, Signatures are fantastic.

I just traded a Nikon Buckmaster 4.5-14 with sidefocus.

Not as clear as I'd hoped.

Nice scope and nice finish...I feel my Burris Fullfield glass is better.

 

If this is going to be a truck gun, consider upgrading the mounts from the standard Tikka.

I haven't had any problems but they don't seem all that sturdy.

Good luck.

Where do you shoot?

I live and shoot in the Issaquah area.



thinkingman - I live in Bellevue.  Haven't shot in awhile...been doing too much bird hunting.  But I plan on getting back into it during the 2007 season for deer and elk.

Let me know where a good place to practice is...I will also be practicing out in the real world with a rangefinder on distant objects.

At this point, I like the Burris Signature Select 3-12x44mm, but I just don't know if I'll like the bigger objective.  I'm also going to make a point of checking out the Pentax Pioneer 4.5-14x42mm.  I've heard from several sources it is the equivalent of a Burris FFII or a Nikon Buckmaster...and at $279, if that's true, I may have to hook it up.
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I'll chime in on the caliber.  I have (3) 7mm-08's and love them all.  I have a Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40 on one, a Burris Fullfield II 3-9x40 one one and a VXIII 2.5-8x36 on the third one.

I fully embrace the Burris line of optics.  I think the signature select is a wonderful scope and I would not hesitate to use it.  I also really like the 44mm objective, which I have on some other rifles, but I don't  think it's absolutely necessary that you have it.  I also dont know if a side focus is necessary on a big game rifle, unless you feel you'll have plenty of time to adjust it in before the shot.  Comparing a buckmaster to a signature select I think is an apples and oranges comparison.  Go Burris.

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