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I need help. I am looking for a scope to put on a model  70 winchester in.300wsm.  This will be my deer/ elk rig.  Like to stay in the 450 and lower price range, no a o , sf ok. I was looking at the 3-9x50 3200 with firefly and nikon 2.5-10x50 monarch.  4-16x max power, open to any help thank you in advance.  
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http://www.swfa.com/pc-10619-1511-new-sightron-3-9x42-sii-big-sky-riflescope.aspx  Only good stuff about this one,  i looked through my buddys, almost ran out and got me one that day
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  IF you have the funds to spend I would go ahead and get the best I could. Here are a few:
 
                
 
 
 
 
 
 
These aren't listed in order of preference.
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what do you think about firefly ret. is it good or a gimmick? i like the 4200 how does it compare to the nikon monarch and sightron sii as i have both on my varmit rigs and like both.  is the 4200 worth nikon money??
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Nothing wrong with the 4200, it holds its own against the sightron, zeiss, leupold and monarch.  At this price point I'd forgo the firefly and get the best optics I could afford, in other words I'd take any of the above optics without firefly over the 3200 with firefly.
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Originally posted by lucytuma lucytuma wrote:

Nothing wrong with the 4200, it holds its own against the sightron, zeiss, leupold and monarch.  At this price point I'd forgo the firefly and get the best optics I could afford, in other words I'd take any of the above optics without firefly over the 3200 with firefly.
 
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I agree but the 4200 has two offerings with the firefly a 2.5-10x40 for 400 and 2.5-10x50 for 490. is the 50mm worth the extra money?? 
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40 mm will serve just fine, and keep your scope lower to the gun
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I recommend you not get anything with a 1" diameter tube (and Swaro agrees with me, and Zeiss, and...)

I've shot the firefly reticle and it ain't my favorite.  be advised that it is significantly fatter than most reticles.  It does work well and functions as advertised, but it isn't made for precision work.
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Next question sightron sii big sky 3-9x42 hunter hold over 400 new, zeiss conquest 3-9x40 rap. z 600 for 460 sample list, or leuold vx-3 2.5-8x36 b@c 450 plex 390.   3.5-10x40 b@c 530 plex 446 sample list new. ?? What is the best by/ best scope?
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These scopes are all so close that it boils down to personal preference and brand loyalty.  Pick one and enjoy!
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I have a couple of comments, mostly about some of the previous posts. I am assuming that since you want this for a deer/elk rig then the deer hunting isn't shooting Southern whitetails at 700 yards. If so, then there is no reason for evne considering an A.O. in the first place, which makes your list of choices a good one.

Second, yes the Firefly reticle is pretty thick, though at the center it really isn't all that thick. It won't "cover up" a deer or even come close, even at 400+ yards. You'll still see plenty of deer to aim at. Just put the middle of the reticle where you want the bullet to land, and it will. The same thing applies to a lot of thicker hunting reticles.

This is a hunting scope, not as target scope. A lot of people are apparently under the impression that without a fine-centered reticle that we won't hit the right hair on a deer's chest. Guess what? We won't even with a very fine-centered reticle, and it doesn't matter.
 
The Firefly works fine for big game hunting, even at quite long range. I know this because I have used it onb a lot of big game animas, as well as other "too-thick" hunting reticle like the Leupold Heavy Duplex, even on pronghorn at longer ranges. They were designed for hunting, not shooting 1/4' groups, and work great for their intended purpose.

 

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Agreed, John. I have 6 4200 and two of them have the FireFly reticle. I used to get some ribbing here about the FF reticle for it being nothing more than a "gimmick". I have never charged the reticle while hunting as I have never found it necessary. It's bold profile is what makes it a great low light reticle, IMO.
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Originally posted by Dave Wilson Dave Wilson wrote:

i can't post my scope for sale in the classifieds, but this seems like a logical spot. i have a NIB Sightron 4-16 Big Sky that i'll ship for 400. it's never been mounted, brand new.
 
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Originally posted by Dave Wilson Dave Wilson wrote:

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Dave, this is certainly not the logical place to place your classified ad.  The "For Sale" forum is restricted to people who post on the forum regularly.  We were trying to avoid a situation where people stop by just to sell some stuff and never post again.  The "For Sale" forum is designed as a tool for forum regulars to sell stuff.

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Originally posted by John Barsness John Barsness wrote:

I have a couple of comments, mostly about some of the previous posts. I am assuming that since you want this for a deer/elk rig then the deer hunting isn't shooting Southern whitetails at 700 yards. If so, then there is no reason for evne considering an A.O. in the first place, which makes your list of choices a good one.

Second, yes the Firefly reticle is pretty thick, though at the center it really isn't all that thick. It won't "cover up" a deer or even come close, even at 400+ yards. You'll still see plenty of deer to aim at. Just put the middle of the reticle where you want the bullet to land, and it will. The same thing applies to a lot of thicker hunting reticles.

This is a hunting scope, not as target scope. A lot of people are apparently under the impression that without a fine-centered reticle that we won't hit the right hair on a deer's chest. Guess what? We won't even with a very fine-centered reticle, and it doesn't matter.
 
The Firefly works fine for big game hunting, even at quite long range. I know this because I have used it onb a lot of big game animas, as well as other "too-thick" hunting reticle like the Leupold Heavy Duplex, even on pronghorn at longer ranges. They were designed for hunting, not shooting 1/4' groups, and work great for their intended purpose.

 



Ditto on the Firefly reticle: it is a very visible reticle in low light even without the glow.  As for shooting groups, I thought it worked fine for that too, although not as well as some ultrathin reticles.

ILya
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Koshkin.......I thought Dave was saying that he didn't have enough posts in to post his scope in the "For Sale" forum.  I could be wrong.

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yes.. there for he may not post it for sale any where on SWFA.
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dougedwards, it has a duplex.
 
koskin, i read the classified rules, was letting another forum member know about a great deal on a scope they were inquiring about. OK, it was mine.
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Dave next time use the PM.....
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Originally posted by Dave Wilson Dave Wilson wrote:

dougedwards, it has a duplex.
 
koskin, i read the classified rules, was letting another forum member know about a great deal on a scope they were inquiring about. OK, it was mine.


Next time, just PM one of the moderators instead of posting the sales ad in a wrong forum.

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I have a Firefly scope and yes at first I hated it. I thought it was was way too thick and distracted my eye from my target. Well, after I really used it on a rifle I decided it wasnt too bad. It is a good low light short range and woods reticle to me. It stays very black and is very good in low light without ever having to charge the reticle to glow. I think the luminecent coating on the reticle wire cuts all reflection off of the reticle leaving it very black. It stays just as dark as an etched reticle in a Zeiss and is easier to see in low light than the #4 Burris reticle I had. I wish Bushnell would make an Elite 4200 with a heavy duplex about the size of the size of the first or second step up in the firefly reticle and then coat it with the firefly coating just for the very black effect. I agree that the thickest part of the Firefly is a little too thick , it should only be one heavy line. I will get another one sometime.
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