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Got a Savage 12 VLP in 22-250 and have been himmin and hawin about what scope to put on it.  My max budget is around $1,000.  My biggest problem is I don't have local access to any of the scopes to window shop them and compare them.  There is a fairly wide price difference in the scopes I'm considering I don't want to overpay nor do I want buyers remorse and wish I'd gotten something better.

These are the scopes I'm considering now.

Bushnell 6-24X50 Elite 4200 - Mil-dot $569.95
http://www.swfa.com/pc-9847-185-bushnell-6-24x50-elite-4200-30mm-rifle-scope.aspx

Sightron 6-24X50 SIII - Mil-dot $789.95
http://www.swfa.com/pc-12947-1512-sightron-6-24x50-siii-30mm-riflescope.aspx

Zeiss 6.5-20X50 Conquest - Mil-dot $995.95
http://www.swfa.com/pc-1520-259-zeiss-65-20x50-conquest-rifle-scope.aspx
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I'm partial to Zeiss, and they are very nice, but I've been hearing good things about the SIII line. I haven't spent any real time with one yet, but I certainly wouldn't leave it out. You may even get a little more use out of the 6-24 than the 6.5-20. I'm fighting with what to put on mine too. I will probably go with a Zeiss, because I want the Rapid-Z Varmint reticle. I believe our resident optics god favors the SIII line quite heavily.
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i like zeiss but i think that the siii for the money is a good scope, probably would be the one of those three i would choose
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Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

I'm partial to Zeiss, and they are very nice, but I've been hearing good things about the SIII line. I haven't spent any real time with one yet, but I certainly wouldn't leave it out. You may even get a little more use out of the 6-24 than the 6.5-20. I'm fighting with what to put on mine too. I will probably go with a Zeiss, because I want the Rapid-Z Varmint reticle. I believe our resident optics god favors the SIII line quite heavily.


The Rapid-Z Varmint reticle intrigues me.  I've read the Zeiss website but I'm unsure of how it is used to estimate range.  It is similar to a mil-dot?

The other question I have on the Zeiss is that it only has a 1" tube vs the 30mm.  Is this going to handicap it's light gathering ability vs the other two scopes?
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Tube diameter has nothing to do with exit pupil diameter nor light transmission.
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another scope you might consider.  I have the 3-12 on my 22-250

http://www.swfa.com/pc-12461-591-burris-6-24x50-xtreme-tactical-xtr-30mm-rifle-scope.aspx
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Originally posted by winchester243 winchester243 wrote:


The Rapid-Z Varmint reticle intrigues me.  I've read the Zeiss website but I'm unsure of how it is used to estimate range.  It is similar to a mil-dot?


 
Range estimation is similar to a mil dot, but to me more simple. The rapid-z system is based on moa. The small hash marks above the top crosswire are 2moa apart. if you are looking at a target that is 12" tall, and it takes up 4 hash marks, it is 300 yards away. 12/4+=3 This is explained further in the owners manual, but it's pretty simple.
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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

Tube diameter has nothing to do with exit pupil diameter nor light transmission.


So what does tube diameter have to do with, i.e does going from a 1" tube to a 30mm have any benefit?
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Originally posted by helo18 helo18 wrote:

another scope you might consider.  I have the 3-12 on my 22-250

http://www.swfa.com/pc-12461-591-burris-6-24x50-xtreme-tactical-xtr-30mm-rifle-scope.aspx


Noooo, not another one to have to choose from.

j/k, appreciate the link.
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here go look at this


http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1616&KW=30


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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

here go look at this


http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1616&KW=30


Thank you!
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If you can afford SIghtron S3, go with that.  If you can not, Elite 4200 is a very good scope and you will be happy with it.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

If you can afford SIghtron S3, go with that.  If you can not, Elite 4200 is a very good scope and you will be happy with it.

ILya
 
These are the same two scopes I have. The SIII is on my 300wm and the Elite is on my 260. Both are  Savages as well. If the gun is going to stay 22-250 you can use either scope as that round is falling pretty heavily at 600yd. The elite 4200 only has 45 moa which is fine for that round at its normal shooting distances. You save quite a few bucks over the SIII as well. If you ever plan on putting a different barrel and might need the extra moa the SIII offers or just want a bit better scope then get the Sightron.
 
I'll have to check, but I think the elites reticle is thinner as well.
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Originally posted by mfilippello mfilippello wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

If you can afford SIghtron S3, go with that.  If you can not, Elite 4200 is a very good scope and you will be happy with it.

ILya
 
These are the same two scopes I have. The SIII is on my 300wm and the Elite is on my 260. Both are  Savages as well. If the gun is going to stay 22-250 you can use either scope as that round is falling pretty heavily at 600yd. The elite 4200 only has 45 moa which is fine for that round at its normal shooting distances. You save quite a few bucks over the SIII as well. If you ever plan on putting a different barrel and might need the extra moa the SIII offers or just want a bit better scope then get the Sightron.
 
I'll have to check, but I think the elites reticle is thinner as well.


How do the optics compare between the two?  Are the SIII's noticeably better?
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I will know tomorrow. My rings are arriving today and I will be sighting the elite 4200 tomorrow as well as taking my 300wm with the SIII. I will give a comparison between the two as for what I can tell.

 
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Originally posted by mfilippello mfilippello wrote:

I will know tomorrow. My rings are arriving today and I will be sighting the elite 4200 tomorrow as well as taking my 300wm with the SIII. I will give a comparison between the two as for what I can tell.

 
Mike


That would be great.
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Went to the range and shot both back to back. My preference  is the Sightron. The turrents are crisper and the glass a wee bit better in resoultion. Not much but a little bit. I plan on going again this weekend so hopefully I can spend a little more time with them and have a better comparison. I spent most of the time helping my father in law develope a load for his 25-06. This weekend will be all mine.
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compare them in low light, if you get a chance.

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If you are willing to spend $900, don't pass up a look at the new Bushnell 6500 4-30x50 available with plex or mildot.

http://www.swfa.com/pc-12409-2172-bushnell-45-30x50-elite-6500-30mm-rifle-scope.aspx
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hey first off, great choice on the rifle. ive had my 12VLP in 22-250 for a couple years and boy does that gun shoot. i have a Nikon Monarch 6-24x50 on mine with a fine cross hair which is great for small targets at long range and the target style turrets work great and return to their zero perfectly, that cost me about 650-700 bucks. If i was gonna buy another varmint gun scope i might look at the Zeiss Conquest line and i wouldn't get such a huge magnification range. i really have never used that Nikon on over 14 or 15 power.
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Thanks for all the info guys, I've learned some stuff.  My initial thoughts were that I wanted/needed a 50mm lens and 30mm tube, but I've also done some more research and got to view a few scopes when out of town this weekend.

Right now this is the scope I'm leaning towards based on the features I want.  The pluses, click value 1/8 MOA vs 1/4 MOA, windage elevation travel 60 (I just don't see how I'd need 100 with a 30mm tube for a 22-250 so why pay for it), the glass from my comparisons seems more than acceptable, this particular model has the Target Type (resetable) windage elevation knobs and I won't have to mount it so high with a 42mm lens.  The purchase price also seems very reasonable for what this scope has to offer.

http://www.swfa.com/pc-10632-1511-sightron-6-24x42-sii-big-sky-riflescope.aspx
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The big sky scopes are very nice. Here are two more to consider. Both are 1" tubes but have side focus. You are correct that you don't necessarily need 30mm. The Big skys have decent elevation out of their 1" models. These two models have 1/4" adj. vs 1/8"
 
 
 
you can get more info from www.sightron.com
 
Also look at the Vortex Viper scopes.
 
As mentioned. If the gun is going to stay 22-250, you don't need all the elevation. Most scopes will easily handle that round out to 700yrd with only 50moa. If it is a varmint rig, then you definately want to stay in the 6-20 or 6-24 ranges. The 50mm bell won't hurt you on the savage. You will still want low rings. This obviously depends on the base type you choose. I like one piece picatinny rails myself. If you go this route, just get the Burris Sig. Zee rings. Med. for 30mm tube and I'm not sure for 1" but can check.
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