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We often mention clarity and brightness as major factors when choosing a riflescope, but what about durability. I was wonderin' if any riflescopes out there are known for superior internal strength, or if most mid price ($450-$650) scopes are somewhat equal. I hunt on horseback 3 or 4 days out of the year so a scopes ability to take a few bumps and remain sighted in is a must. As of now I'm leanin' towards a Leupold Vari-X III, a Zeiss Conquest or a Kahles American all in 3-9x40/42. One more thing. This is truely an awesome website, I was curious if anyone knows of one devoted to hunting rifles. Thanks in advance,  Samuel                         



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http://longrangehunting.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php

 

Welcome, Samuel. Link is for a great rifle website you may enjoy, Sir.

 

 

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As a teenager (1988) my Great and Grandfather once gave me a box of thrown out scopes. There were approximately 35 to 40 of them and they all had one issue or another; with ages between 5 to 50 years.

 

Well anyhow... I dropped, beat and even took hammers to see what it would take to make them not work or adjust. Take in mind they already had some issues and were not able to be mounted any longer..

 

In a nutshell...

 

1. The one piece metal scopes that were fixed power were still optical workable until a lens shatter.

 

2. The one piece metal scopes that were variable were optical and okay and still adjusted... unless the variable ring broke... or lagain a lens shatter or crack. This also happened if the ring was plastic but if I recall I couldn't get the metal ring scopes to break to the point of not to adjust.

 

3. More plastic and the easier it was to get them to fail... every Tasco & Bushnell I smacked on the ground broke quick.

 

4. Believe it or not.. all the old Weavers (totally made of metal) 1960 vintage  were tough as nails...

 

IMO the scopes you list are all better than the ones I destroyed. Also from my understanding and personal Alaska experience... the Leupold and Zeiss have some darn great track records.

 

Now 2nd hand knwoledge..

 

My Grandfather use to horseback hunt he broke 4 scopes. Three I recall being told were Bushnell and the last I do not recall.

 

Best regards and Merry Christmas.... 

 

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I think most any quality scope should serve you well short of the horse rolling down a hill. 

 

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The Leupold probably has the longest standing reputation for durability of the three you mentioned. The Kahles and the Zeiss Conquest have superior optics to the Leupold and they are also very durable and have very accurate W & E adjustments which give them the edge over the Leupold. Don't overlook the Bushnell Elite 4200 series in this price range. The Elite 4200 has optics that are superior to the Leupold and is on its way to a well deserved reputation for durability.
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Thanks people. Hopefully old Freddy the horse keeps his feet under him long enough for me to find that big mule deer. I have one more question. I've heard that that Winchester and Remington are getting a little sloppy in their rifle making, leading to sub-par accuracy. Is this just a horrible rumor or is there some truth to this? I just sold a Remington Mountain Rifle LSS 30-06 with a Leupold Vari-X III on it because it was lucky to shoot three inch groups at 100 yards. I did try several different factory loads and nothing really shot that great. Anyway was it just a lemon or should I worry about wasting a grand on a Winchester Super Grade III .300WSM to only have it look nice and not shoot accurately. I would pleased to get around one inch groups at 100 yards. Any other rifle suggestions would be apprieciated.       Thanks again, sam

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I had a new Remington 700P that had feed problems and extraction issues. Remington told me to see a local gunsmith; basically told me to pound sand. Sent it to Christensen ( http://www.christensenarms.com/ ) and they made it whole. Since that event I have bought Steyr, Mauser, and will never go back to Remington. Though I must add my family has bought many Remington Rifles over the last century and they can make a worthy product.

 

If I were to suggest a "bang for the buck" rifle it would be the Tikka T3. I have handled many and for the accuracy and build they hold their own with rifles three times the price.

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Originally posted by noddah noddah wrote:

If I were to suggest a "bang for the buck" rifle it would be the Tikka T3. I have handled many and for the accuracy and build they hold their own with rifles three times the price.

 

Agreed. A great bang for the buck rifle.  

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Generally Remingtons, even todays, will shoot sub 1 MOA out of the box, and are statistically the best bet on getting an accurate gun. The winchester is less probable of giving the results you want. Your comments have two "clues" however as to the problem. The first is, did you test the Leo on a gun of known accuracy before mounting, to see if it is good. I have had new scopes of almost (even the big name brands) not hold repeatable shots. Usually a return to the man. under warranty cures the problem. Secondly did you test the Remington with a scope of known realiability? 30-06 has the widest range of manufactureres loads available, just to test the gun and scope (assuming they were both on the dot) with all the combinations would be a formidable task. I have seen 30-06 factory so loose in the chambers, there is no way it could be accurate, headspace off, and the bullet jump to the riflings would preclude any accuracy. Usually handloading will solve all these problems. Do not expect a Tikka to shoot any better if the above problems have not been addressed. I have a K-4 weaver (steel tube) that is about 65 years old that still works great. Good luck in predicting anything a horse will do. Last season a friend had his horse kick and break the stock on his Tikka and he is still looking for a replacement.
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I did not test the rifle or scope with a proven factor. Perhaps that would have isolated the problem. I did however rid myself of both with a sale at the local gun shop. Maybe the new owner will find success with his steal of a deal. $750 for the 99% condition model 700 and vari-x III 3-9x40 leupold. I'm still pondering the replacement for my new all purpose hunting rifle. As a side note I have a second hand Model 700 in .270 with a cheap synthetic stock and an older Tasco World Class scope, a  3-9x40 with an antelope head on the side of it, and it is a tack driver regardless of the ammunition. Go figure. Total investment $400. I bought it to haul around on old Freddy, my trusty cow pony.  Thanks for the comments. sam

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Samuel: Your above mention of the second hand Model 700 with the Tasco reminds me of a gun that has been floating around our family for years (got my first deer with it) it is an old Mossberg 1500 .243 with a cheap drug store Westernfield scope.  The thing shoots like a match rifle.  In fact I had a friend who was really into rifle accuracy with custom guns, trigger jobs, barrel floating,bedings ect...and he could not believe how this cheap little gun shot LOL

 

In fact I was going to buy a nice little Nikon Buckmaster for it last year and every one that shoots it gave me the big NO WAY DONT TOUCH IT!!.    I guess somethings just work out that way LOL

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Samuel, I think you will enjoy this one!!!

 

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Thanks for the link, Roy. I'll register there tomorrow. Looks like a good site.

 

See ya there!!!!!!!

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Samuel, for what its worth, I just bought a new super grade III 300 WSM.  I took it to the range for the first time last month and it shot moa groups about 3/4".  I guess some rifles shoot better than others regardless of brand.  I own several remington, winchester, browning, kimber, beretta and this super grade seems to shoot exceptionally well.  I can't say that they all will shoot sub 1" groups but I will say that the super grades are very refined rifles with nice fit & finish and had very good wood.  It is probably my favorite rifle followed closely by my kimber.
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Good to hear tbone1. What ammo does ur Super Grade like? There is one thing I forgot to mention about the Mountain Rifle I sold. I used Leupold Dual Dovetail rings and bases and have heard that if the rings are not aligned perfectly when mounting the scope they can cause stress on the tube. Could this be to blame for my accuracy issue? Anyway on the Winchester I plan on using Burris Signature Double Dovetail rings and bases. Anyone tried these, and if so your opinion please. Good website Roy, thanks samuel
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