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Hello,

I am new to this great site and I have a few questions that I was told could be answered here.

I have my Enfield P-17 sporterized 30-06 with Weaver bases and Weaver quad lock rings. After last year my scope has started to slide forward, after changing everything except the scope I figure it has to be the scope.

My son who is the proud owner of his Savage 200 270 cal needs a base and ring and scope set up.

I was looking at Mueller scopes and Nikon Bushmaster. But I have also been told that the Japanese and Chinese have also been putting out some decent scopes for less money.

Any suggestion or comments would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Mike

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I still believe the nikon "primos"3-9x40 and the bushnell 4200 3-9x40 offer the best optics for the money.
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  First off Mike,WELCOME to OT!!
 
  For a base /ring set-up I'd just go with the 1pc Talley Lightweights and be done with it.
  As far as a scope suggestion goes,a bit of info would be helpful.  Of course how much you want to spend would help but also the type of hunting to be done and the expected shooting distances. I will say that for the money the two scopes mentioned above are going to be hard to beat.
 
 


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1+ on the Talley 1 piece lightweight rings/mounts.  Scope recommendations are also excellent.  The Bushnell has rainguard, which may or may not be important to you.
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It is my understanding that Mueller scopes are both Japanese and Chinese--Japanese lenses sent to China for final scope assembly.

I just bought one and have mounted it and rough zeroed it, but have not been able to get to the range yet. It seems fairly well made and, for the $, is surprisingly bright and clear just aiming it out my kitchen window.

I will be able to give a better report after a visit to the range, if anyone is interested.
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I bought some Weaver quad lock rings and they were the absolute worst rings I have ever had so I threw them away. Talley makes nice rings. Warne makes nice rings.  As for a low dollar scope that would be a reliable choice I will suggest a couple that I like:

Bushnell 1.5-6x42 Trophy 30mm Rifle Scope 4A w/ Illuminated Dot Bushnell 1.5-6x42 Trophy 30mm Rifle Scope
Stock # - 731642M
  • Matte
  • 4A w/ Illuminated Dot
  • 30mm
$149.95 
Add Bushnell 1.5-6x42 Trophy 30mm Rifle Scope to Cart 
Bushnell 3-9x40 Trophy Rifle Scope DOA 600 Bushnell 3-9x40 Trophy Rifle Scope
Stock # - 733948B
  • Matte
  • DOA 600
  • 1"
  • Centerfire
$119.95 

Bushnell 3-9x40 Trophy Rifle Scope Multi-X Bushnell 3-9x40 Trophy Rifle Scope
Stock # - 733948PM
  • Matte
  • Multi-X
  • 1"
  • Free Bushnell 20x50 Spotting Scope
$89.95 
Sightron 3-9x40 SI Riflescope Sightron 3-9x40 SI Riflescope
Stock # - SI39X40MD
  • Matte
  • Mil-Dot
  • 1"
$149.95 
Add Sightron 3-9x40 SI Riflescope to Cart 
Weaver 2.5-7x32 Classic V Rifle Scope Weaver 2.5-7x32 Classic V Rifle Scope
Stock # - 849399
  • Matte
  • Dual-X
  • 1"
$159.95 
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Originally posted by onfinal onfinal wrote:

It is my understanding that Mueller scopes are both Japanese and Chinese--Japanese lenses sent to China for final scope assembly.

I just bought one and have mounted it and rough zeroed it, but have not been able to get to the range yet. It seems fairly well made and, for the $, is surprisingly bright and clear just aiming it out my kitchen window.

I will be able to give a better report after a visit to the range, if anyone is interested.
I own several sport dot models and an Eradicator and you are correct.  Both are optically excellent with reproducible clicks on the turrets.  My only complaint with the Eradicator, is that the poi changes with the magnification level.  Specifically when you go from about 12 or so to 24.  If I remember correctly it is about a 4 inch shift to the left and up.  It is on a Savage Lo Pro 22-250 that I have not shot in a while.  The rifle groups less than 0.5 moa groups with factory ammo in a rest.  I have never contacted Mueller about the scope, but I may do so in the future when I get the time.
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 Maddog- regarding your P-17 and your scope slippage problem;
Unless you have a wierd undersized -tube scope, I seriously doubt that the scope is the source of your troubles.
You have bad rings or good rings that aren't installed correctly.
 Blaming the scope for slippage under recoil is kind of like claiming that you have a defective horse who keeps breaking his rotten baler twine tether rope!
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Safari.........does the poi change with magnification level change on your Sport Dots too, or just the Eraticator?
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The scope on my P-17 is on old Weaver 3-9x32mm and it has been around for awhile. I have changed the rings and the bases and it still moves. I don't know what else it could be. As for the scopes I still don't know which one to purchase, the ones you guys suggested all look great but I read other reviews and there are a lot of people who don't like them so with out being able to actually hold one in my hand and look throught it I just don't know. I did get a chance to hold a Nikon Bushmaster 3-9x40mm and man was that a nice scope but it was kind of a lot of money for my son's first scope. Maybe I will just have to bite the bullet and pony up the dough.
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Originally posted by onfinal onfinal wrote:

Safari.........does the poi change with magnification level change on your Sport Dots too, or just the Eraticator?
To be honest, I have never checked it on the sport dot models.  Because of the large mag. range on the Eradicator, I sighted it in on at about 12x and then after getting good groups, move up on the magnification.  Usually with a 3x9 scope, I sight in at 9x and really do not re-check it at a lower magnification.  I will have to dig out one of the rifles sporting the sport dot and check it.  However, that goes with most all of my similarly powered scopes, ie, 3x9.
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That is the best way to sight in a 3-9? I usually never have it on 9x, most of the time it ranges from 3x to around 6x or 7x.

Safari what scopes are you using? I was just reading on another web site that deals with the Savage 270 cal and the shooter and author said he put on a Simmons 3-9 and it seemed to fit perfectly, he said after sighting it in and shot about 500 rounds it has never moved.  I always thought that Simmons, Tasco, Bushnell, BSA and some others were the cheapie models and that is why they are the price they are, but it seems to me that they have moved up in the ranks and are starting to compete with other.

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If you want a good lower priced scope look at the Bushnell Legend 3-9x.  It is a very good scope for the money, mine has served me well and I would definitely buy another one if I were on a budget and could not afford the 4200.
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Thanks I will check it out right now.
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Check out the Sightron's.  The SIIs are pretty good for the $.  My opinion...
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Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

 Maddog- regarding your P-17 and your scope slippage problem;
Unless you have a wierd undersized -tube scope, I seriously doubt that the scope is the source of your troubles.
You have bad rings or good rings that aren't installed correctly.
 Blaming the scope for slippage under recoil is kind of like claiming that you have a defective horse who keeps breaking his rotten baler twine tether rope!
 
I agree with RONK.  If your scope is slipping, it is the fault of the rings.  Even if the scope tube diameter is a little undersized, there should be enough of a gap between the ring halves when fully tightened to compensate for the variance.
 
This is assuming you are using the correct diameter rings for your scope in the first place.
 
You should have no problem with scope slippage if you use quality rings.  The Talleys mentioned are definitely quality rings.
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