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The old saying "scope price should be equal or greater than cost of the rifle..." Mine average about 60% across the board. I don't have any true Target/Tactical stuff, mostly hunting rifles. How bout you guys?


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In my dreams all may scopes are Heinsold s then I wake up. Sad
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On my rifles, there is no direct correlation between the cost of the scope vs the rifle. I choose my scopes for there intended purpose.

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I play musical scopes to much to say a direct correlation to scope cost to gun cost.
 
Roy said it well and I have to agree with his statement for the majority........I dont see a reason to dictate your purchases on what your gun cost.
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I tend to keep my scopes forever and learned early to never trade them on a rifle as you rarely get much for them. The end result is My scope arsenal is probably 25 years old on the average. I have a 35 year old K4 on my 270 rem 700 that has accounted for several deer over the years and still works fine. I have a vari xII on my 243 Ruger RSI a m8 4x on my 257 Ruger a scopechief 4x on my stevens 200, 308 all proven deer whangers and a scopechief 3x9 on my stevens 200, 223. I find all of these scopes very capable of taking game in any legal light situation and all have provided trouble free service rain or shine since I owned them. So since my rifles might be worth $1600-1800 and my scope worth $about $300-$400 I'm figuring about 20%.
I know most people on here would consider me a barbarian with my old tech dim mag fluoride coated low powered scopes but they have all provided me years of trouble free service so I have never really bought in on the mega scopes. IMHO You should be able to find a perfectly acceptable hunting scope for $300 or less. Now I'll admit I am not a professional hunter rather a professional who hunts. I.e. my job schedule pretty much limits my hunting to a few days deer hunting on local farms in the Ohio valley region where I live, so I don't really have to worry much about a pack horse rolling on my rifle etc. and if it's raining buckets I tend to stay at the cabin and kibitz with my buddies as most of us really don't need to shoot another deer that bad.
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Always a compromise here. Some scopes cost more than the guns, some scopes.... well let's just say that they probably cost more than a box of shells for the gun. 


Roy summed it up pretty well, depends on what I want to use it for.

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i wish i could afford scopes that cost as much as the rifle do, in my case its more like a $700 rifle with a $200-$300 scope on them.
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Roy+1, he said it all.
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This will take some math!  Mean Computer
 
Rem 22-250 $600 / Burris Black Diamond 4x16x50 $650
6.5 rem mag custom rebarrel $1800 / Zeiss Conquest 4.5x14x44 $550
280AI  custom rebarrel $1800 / Kahles 4x12x52 MZ $600 (gunbroker)
Steyr 30-06 $600 / Kahles 3.5x10x50 AH $700
Mato 300 win mag $600 (gunbroker) / Zeiss Diavari 2.5x10x50 $1500
338RUM custom rebarrel $1200 / Kahles 4x12x52 MZ $600 (gunbroker)
375 Ruger custom rebarrel $1250 / IOR 6x42 $500
 
Guns $7850 / Scopes $5100
 
Guess the guns are ahead.  Roll Eyes
 
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Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

On my rifles, there is no direct correlation between the cost of the scope vs the rifle. I choose my scopes for there intended purpose.


That is probably a good approach, but not what I meant. What I mean to say is at any given day my total gun dollars is 100, total scope dollars on those guns is 60. That's why i said "across the board" rather than "on your favorite rifle, target rifle, hunting rifle, prettiest, most accurate...."

My favorite rifle has a scope that exceeds rifle value. (OLD Savage 110 w Monarch)
My most expensive rifle has a scope that is only about 20% rifle dollars.
My prettiest rifle has a scope about 60% rifle dollars.
Etc., etc., etc.
So that's how i guesstimate 60% across the board.
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Seeing how I mostly use 4200's and a couple of Leupold VXIII's I would have to say that across the board, my rifles are considerably more expensive than the scopes.

Remington CS APR- over 2 grand- 4200 scope
Cooper Custom Classic- 1700- 4200 scope
Remington Custom 280 Ackley- 1800- 4200 scope
Remington Custom 30 STW- 1700- Weaver V16 scope
Custom Husky 06- 1400- 4200 scope
Husky 06- 600- Leupold VX2
Husky 06- 450 - Leupold M8 4x
Knight ML- 450- Leupold VXIII
Kimber 84M 7/08- 750 Leupold VXIII
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Guys, my dad has been dead 23 years, and on this subject I can still hear his voice.  "Boy, it doesn't matter what you paid for it, can you hit what your aiming' at with it?" LOL!
OK, maybe dad wasn't a word smith, but you can't argue with the logic.
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I am with Roy and Steelbenz on this one.

I could not care less how the price of the scope and the price of the rifle correlate.

The cheapest scope I own is about $100 and the most expensive one is ~$1500.  That having been said, I have played with scopes from just about any price range out there.

$1500 scope is on a $5k DTA SRS.  There is also a $800 scope sighted in for that rifle as backup.

$100 scope is on a $60 old Romanian 22LR military trainer.

Looking at everything else in my safe, I see no pattern of scope to rifle price correlation.

$600 Sightron on a $600 Savage

$700 Kahles on a $500 Tikka (there is also a $500 back-up scope sighted in for the rifle)

$600 S.S. on a 308Win Mauser that I put together myself, so I am not sure of the cost

$300 S.S. on a $800 AR-15

$200 GRSC on a $500 Kel-tec

$300 ZoomDot on a $300 Saiga

Old Nimrod 6x40 on a modified Finnish M39 (I do not remember how much either one costs)

Steel tube K2.5 on a VZ24 sniper

and the list goes on.

Not much of a pattern there.

ILya


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Since I'm very close to being an old fart (with health issues) I have paired down the rifle collection. I only have a few left, but they ALL wear good glass. Mostly Swaros. However, I must confess I'm getting the urge back to buy another. If so, I've got the hots for a S&B Summit or a Nightforce NXS Compact. I may even "lower" myself to a Meopta Meopro. LOL. Time will tell. We will see. 
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My rifles range from a Savage 93F to a London Guns custom built of 1949 Model 70.  My scopes range from a $90 Vortex to one Zeiss V/VM which I paid $1200. for.  I don't believe that any rifle that I own has a scope worth more than the rifle, except the Zeiss VM which is mounted on a CZ 527 American.  Across the board, my scopes probably cost about 2/3rd's the rifle cost.  That is except the London Guns custom and another 7mm Mag custom where the scopes equal probably 25-35% of the gun cost.

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last one i got ,remington sps tatical 490 zeiss conquest 3x9x40 299  .its about 61%.
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Although I agree that the scope should accomplish tht intended purpose I believe that buying ultra high quality glass is critical.  Even more so if you plan to spend time on once in a lifetime hunts lessening the chances for malfunction is important.

I only have one setup where the glass is not at least equal to the cost of the rifle.  I put a Z5 on a Cooper I just purchased because I really liked the scope.  Rifle $1,800 and scope $1,400.   All others have glass that is costlier than the rifle.
 
But I suppose if I start purchasing custom rifles in the future it would be difficult to spend more on glass. 
 
 
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An observation from looking through this thread:  am I the only one paranoid enough to have pre-sighted-in backup scopes?

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For the most part I have not seen the need to have the scope cost way more than the gun.  All my scopes do exactly what I need of them and seem to do it well.  Not that I would not like better ones, but what I have is plenty sufficient for my needs.

$3500 custom Rem .308  $1300 IOR

$2000 custom AR-15 $800 SS 10x HD

$1400 custom AR-15 $900 ACOG

$1400 custom AR 6.8 $250 4200

$800 AR $500 IOR

$500 Browning BAR 7mm $400 Meopta

???? Winchester 100 .243 $150 Bush Legend

$700 Marlin 45-70 $250 Leupold FX 2 4x

$600 Marlin .357  $300 Sightron big sky

$320 Ruger 10/22 $300 10x SS

$150 Ruger 10/22 $50 Tasco Varmint

$700 TC Omega $70 Simmons 1x

$12,070 rifles  $5,270 scopes
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

An observation from looking through this thread:  am I the only one paranoid enough to have pre-sighted-in backup scopes?

ILya


I typically at least for hunting purposes just take an entire second gun/scope as backup rather than just a scope.  Same with my ARs I have several that would accomplish the same purpose if one went down.
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

An observation from looking through this thread:  am I the only one paranoid enough to have pre-sighted-in backup scopes?
ILya


Nope, on the two rifles I travel with (700's) I have Leupold QR mounts and two 4200's in QR rings ready to rock. I won't allow a 400 dollar scope to ruin a 5K hunt. Same would be true if I had Zeiss Diavari's.
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There are a ton of scopes under $400 that will work well out to max. PBR. For shooting long distances I've got as much as a 2:1 ratio of scope to rifle cost.
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Originally posted by jonoMT jonoMT wrote:

There are a ton of scopes under $400 that will work well out to max. PBR. For shooting long distances I've got as much as a 2:1 ratio of scope to rifle cost.


Sounds like you need a more expensive rifle.  Wink
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

An observation from looking through this thread:  am I the only one paranoid enough to have pre-sighted-in backup scopes?

ILya
 
My .375 H&H has a 1.5-5 Leupy in Talley's ready to go.
 
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