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Hi Everyone.  I'm new to this forum, but a long time lurker.

I am at a loss and need your help.  I need your expert advice on a scope to mount on a Remington SPS Tactical .308 (20" heavy barrel).  Primary use will be short-medium range hunting and some long range (600-900yd) target shooting.  Mount will be an EGW 20MOA and Burris Xtreme Tactical rings.

I'm looking for a scope that will perform well in low light.  I'm new to ranging so a ballistic reticle would be helpful.  If I go with a duplex/mildot reticle, then I would want easy-to-adjust elevation & windage turrets.

I've narrowed my choices down to the following and would appreciate your input:

-Swarovski 4-12x50 American
-Zeiss Conquest 4.5-14x50 Rapid Z 1000
-IOR 2.5-10x42 (illuminated MP8)

-Kahles 2.5-10x50 Helia C
-Trijicon 2.5-10x56 Accu-Point (TR22R)
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Trijicon 5-20x50 Accu-Point(TR23)
-Leupold VX-L 3.5-10x50 (illuminated Boone & Crockett)
-SWFA 10X42 SS HD
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SS all the way.  I have the same gun, and had the 10x SS on mine with a 0 moa base and reached a grand fine.  Took it off when i put a suppressor on it and am going to rectify that mistake soon with another.  If you do want variable go with the Trijicon 5-20.  Also look at the SS rings, i like them better than the Burris and they come with inserts to use either the 30mm or 1" scope body so you have some options in case you switch up later.

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Based on your stated requirements, I would get either the IOR or the SS. 
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Thanks very much for your replies, I appreciate it greatly.

I have not looked at the SS rings, they do look very similar to the Burris but are at a better price point.  Are the inserts plastic?

I hesitated over the the IOR because it is a 42mm, will it be as bright as a 50mm Zeiss?
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 Hello Samuel22,

I have a Remington 700 VTR 308 cal and I have the SS 10X42M mounted on mine. I Have to say it looks and shoots great. Although the scopes you have listed are very reputable too and would definitely do the job.
 
 
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 I use a 20x ss but I have old eyes and don't do much low light shooting, a 10x would probably fill your needs and if you want a variable wait a little while for the new ss to come out. It is supposed to be in the 4-20 range.
 I was going to save for a 5-20 trijicon but now I will wait for the new ss for my 25 06.
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Thanks for all of the feedback, I'll have to take a closer look at the SS variable series.
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What's surprising is there is no love for the Swarovski American.  They have strong brand-name recognition, quality and good customer service to boot but is there something wrong with this particular series?
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Im thinking you need to go wiht the Super Sniper variable 3-9x42 FFP  MIL/MIL.  Of the scopes above I really like the SS 10x HD but its hard to get onto game under 100 yds with 10 power where a 6x will work.  I really like the 5-20x50 Trijicon but in has only 50 moa of internal adjustment which is not enough to get you to 900 yds with a flat base and might work with the plus 20  but that would be close. The Zeiss Rapid Z is a viable option but you will be limited to what ever single power is correct for your cartridge so that is rather limiting.  When it gets dark you need to dial power down to about 6x or lower to brighten up the scope.  The 10xHD would be a better choice than the 3-9 SS if all your game was out past 100 yds or if you had more time than stalking game affords,  from a stand it would be fine but minimum focus distance is about 50 yds on the 10x  the variable you can see clearly much closer and the old style has parallax adjustment down to about 10 yds but the glass is really top quality on the variable and HD.   $warovski is great so long as you are within a couple hundred yards or select a model with a balistic reticle they have great glass but it also takes some way to compensate for trajectory at long range to be a good choice.
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None of the scopes you list offers all the features you want except for the IOR.

I would either look at the 4-14x50 IOR since it has sidefocus, or wait a little for Vortex Viper PST scopes which should be available some time this spring.

ILya
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Thanks very much for your input, lots to consider.

I was able to take a look at a Trijicon Accupoint locally and I like the optics and triangle reticle.  I compared it to the Zeiss 3.5-14 and the Zeiss is definitely better, just not illuminated.  Maybe I could find a +25 or +30 MOA base for the Trijicon and make it work.  Spring seems so far away to wait for the Viper PST.  Then again, the 6-24 Crossfire for $99 seems like a steal for an interim scope.
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If you went to much on the base you may limit yourself by how close you can shot.  It may not bottom out to get you below say 150-200 yds with a 30MOA base and only 50 of internal adjustment with teh Trijicon. 

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You're right, if I go with the Trijicon I'll need to find what works with the limited adjustment range.  Maybe I'll just reset my expectation level and call it a day.
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You dont' have to settle and lower your expectations but you may not get everything you want but it may be everything you need.  I know a lot of guys that say yeah I want it to be able to shoot at 1000yds but yet they have no range to shoot that far nor the ability.  If you never going to shoot that far on a regular basis there is not need to do a set up specifically set for that.  A 20MOA base and a 10x SS has carried me from my closest shot with it at about 30 yds, not aiming dead on, to ringing metal gongs out at 1000+  Keep it relative to what your using it for.  Most shots by hunters never go over 500yrds because you can stalk and get closer and the ethics of knowing your doing a good clean kill shot.  Get the features you want and the setup for your prime shooting senario and your will not look back I promise!

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Thanks SVT, I appreciate your advice.  I'm taking a hard look at the 4.5-14 and 6.5-20x50 Mil Dot Zeiss scopes.
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I'm also looking at the 3-12x56 Zeiss but no mil dot joy, only a #8 reticle which is similar to the Z-Plex.
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