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I am ready to dump $3000 +/- on a high end scope. I am wondering where this $ should be going? Warranty, Durability, optical quality and function. 

PR - Heritage 5-25x56 XR
S&B - 5-25 x 56 PM II LP
Zeiss - Hensoldt 6-24x56
IOR - Valdada 4-28x56
Vortex - Razor 5-20x50

Having a hard time picking...
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Zeiss - Hensoldt 6-24x56 - if your gonna spend the money, this is the only choice.
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If you really have to spend that much, then I agree, Zeiss is the one. Or S&B.
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I notice the Vortex has a lifetime uncondditional warranty. So no matter how it happens, they will fix it or replace it. Do any of these $3000 +/- scope companies offer that or something close? Which of these companies has the worse warranty? Does anyone have experience bad or good w/ this that actually damaged their scope?

 
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RiP, it's ultimately up to you to decide what you want. But it would be helpful if you mentioned the kind of firearm/caliber and range of distances you're interested in, as well whether it's intended for target shooting, hunting or both. Also, all the scopes you listed have fairly high magnification ranges. Nothing wrong with that if you're doing most of your shooting at long range and/or at small targets. However, once you get above 12-15X it's harder to make use of or enjoy high magnification. And you lose the low end, i.e. trying to acquire a running animal @ 75 yards with a scope that goes down to 3X is a lot better than trying to do it at 5X.
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How can you possibly go wrong with any of your scope options?All top of the line quality & CS.As jono points out make sure exactly it is that you want!
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In that price range, if glass and serviceability is the primary objective, you won't beat Hensoldt.

Someone may "claim" a better warranty, no one will claim a better optic.
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Well, these are really two price ranges.

If you want to spend ~$2k, get the Razor HD.

If you want to spend ~$3k get either Hensoldt or Premier.  Personally, in this configuration, I would probably lean toward the Premier.  Both are superb scopes, but the 6-24x56 Hensoldt is only available with a second focal plane reticle, while I prefer FFP overall.  Also, it has somewhat limited adjustment range of 16mrad, while Premier has 30mrad.

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Both of those limitations would make me consider something else. The Hensoldt 4-16X56 has about 24 mrad of elevation - comparable to a double-turn Premier. I also forgot to mention the S&B 3-20 due out soon. Nobody's really had their hands on one (except Koshkin???) and S&B's warranties aren't as long as others, esp. Vortex. But the specs are good if you really have yourself set on lots of magnification.
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Thanks; great responses!

It's impossible to find anything perfect. I'm going with Premier as planned. I will get that Razor next simply because it has the best warranty "unconditional lifetime" I have yet to see beat.
 
It's quite embarassing to list caliber since it's going on a (cough*.308*cough). The reason i'm getting the high mag-x. is because I have the monry for once and I may never have it again...   ...I'm also going to be mounting this on my next rifle I have made "hopefully in the near future" which is going to be a .300 WM.
 
I thought long and hard about using the better 3-15x for the .308 but decided since I will primarily be shooting this for extended ranges to go with the 5-25x. As far as hunting is concerned, I do it on horseback so I carry a 30/30 for inside 100 yds. My horse alerts me to the direction ears up :)
 
Of course just about everyone in here prolably knows 10x more than I do about optic's so maybe someone will advise me otherwise.
 
Thanks for the responses gent's!
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Premier makes good stuff, I am a huge fan, run a 3-15X on a 300WM.

For the bench, 5-25 is fine for long range.  If it is a field gun, I'd recommend against that much mag.
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I know you plan on moving it to a rifle with a beefier round, but even then 5X on the low end will cut your FOV to 60% of a 3X low end. For a .308, even at relatively higher altitudes where I shoot (4000-7000 feet) you lose most of your ballistic performance by 1000 yards. The few times I've gotten set up (lots of hiking!) to shoot that far I've found 15X to enough magnification. My problems hitting paper @ that range are not because I can't see the target.

Also, I'm not sure of this, but the slightly bigger objective may preclude using low rings. With my heavy barrel I have to rotate the lens cover on the objective sideways with the 50mm objective of the 3-15. No big deal if you have to go with mediums though. I put Karsten cheekpieces on two rifles a few months ago and love the consistent cheek weld I get now. Heck, before that it was really a jaw weld.
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What about having a low-x 1aimpoint or eotech reflexive fire scope mounted on top for low end? I know that sounds like a shortcut but it seems like it would work out pretty good for hunting inside my weak point which would be inside 100 meter's.
 
What say you?
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That gun is getting unwieldy. Fast.

Be advised, scopes in this price range hold their value well; if you decide a 5-25 is needed later, you'll get most of your money out of a 3-15X.

I don't know your background, but lots more magnification is usually, unless doing competitive long range shooting and nothing else, more of a hindrance than benefit. (Or if shooting tiny objects at 400+ yards.)

My favorite 300WM has my  Premier 3-15X and I have never felt magnification-limited. 

The 5-25Xs discussed are nice scopes, but the top end is, in many cases, a benefit that never materializes.


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