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I was hoping someone could help me make a informed decision on which scope to buy. I have a Ruger M77 MKII .270 (standard design) bolt action rifle. I am wanting to upgrade from my inexpensive Bushnell Banner Dusk & Dawn 3-9x40.

I primarily only hunt deer and I use a ground blind and sometimes sit in a deer stand. Hunt in southern Arkansas pretty much exclusively. The ground blind is most often set up in areas where there is a heavy tree canopy and I was thinking an upgraded scope would help for low light conditions. The furthest I ever shoot while hunting is approx 80 yards. The deer I shot last season was probably less than 10 yards away. I really don't shoot my gun much outside of deer hunting. I've had my gun for probably 5 or 6 years and have shot it maybe 20 times and most of those were to harvest a deer.

Anyway I posted in another forum about being interested in the Trijicon AccuPoint. My decision to buy a better scope has more to do with just wanting to have a new toy and less to do with any great need for one. Truth be told my Bushnell has never let me down. That being said I've never had a "good" scope to compare to...I don't know what I'm missing.

I'd say the AccuPoint TR20 3-9x40 would be at the top end of my budget. I really like the idea of a illuminated reticle though but I am scared away by the thing needing to be serviced about every 10 to 12 years because of the Tritium. I'm not one to jump around and buy this or that when it comes to hunting supplies. I usually buy the best I can afford and keep it from now on.

I guess the point of this thread is for someone to talk me out of or into something one way or the other. Big Grin





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Welcome to Optics Talk. 

I used to trout fish near Mountain Home, if your near there. White River/Bull Shoals Dam. 
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I live near Little Rock and hunt near Camden. I've haven't been that forth north on the White River before. Normally go to the Buffalo River when we go rafting.


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The tritium i believe works in the no or very low light situtation, The rest of the time it is powered and adjust using the fiberoptics. I dont own one, but ive got to play with them alot in the stores. VERY nice scopes for the money.  I assume as even after the tritium passes its usefulness the fiberoptics should continue to work for----ever
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I own a 3-9 Accupoint, it is a good scope, works very, very well in low light.  Keep in mind that we are talking about half-life of tritium, not usable life.  In 11 years, the light will be half as bright as the day you get it, it will not suddenly go out on the morning of 11+1 day.

So, the options are tritium or battery.  I have both and like both for different reasons.

1.  Your battery will fail, and it will fail  when you need it most, Murphy says so.  Keep extra batteries around and all is well.

2.  Tritium is good for awhile, no batteries, always on, no worries; however, it will one day be too dim to use in low light.  It will need recharging (for a fee) or replacing - or simply using as a very good low light optic but will no illumination.

Personally, I'd go for the Accupoint and worry about not enough illumination in 15 or so years.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

I own a 3-9 Accupoint, it is a good scope, works very, very well in low light.  Keep in mind that we are talking about half-life of tritium, not usable life.  In 11 years, the light will be half as bright as the day you get it, it will not suddenly go out on the morning of 11+1 day.

So, the options are tritium or battery.  I have both and like both for different reasons.

1.  Your battery will fail, and it will fail  when you need it most, Murphy says so.  Keep extra batteries around and all is well.

2.  Tritium is good for awhile, no batteries, always on, no worries; however, it will one day be too dim to use in low light.  It will need recharging (for a fee) or replacing - or simply using as a very good low light optic but will no illumination.

Personally, I'd go for the Accupoint and worry about not enough illumination in 15 or so years.


+100. I have the 3-9 X 40 and, in the woods, nothing beats it (IMO). Regarding recharging, I never even give it a thought. Maybe after 11 or 12 years, but then it would be good as new.



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the glass seemed very good to my eye "in the store" seemed very similar to the conquest, not quite swarovski z3 though, but for 765 dollars from SWFA  for the glass + NO batteries illumination, mighty hard deal to beat for a hunting scope
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I also have Trijicon 3-9x40 and love it


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Thanks for the responses guys...I got one on order. Will report back later.
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Good deal. I'm sure you will be satisfied. Excellent
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Got the scope in and have mounted it, but haven't had a chance to go sight it in. Not sure I like the standard Ruger rings but will go with them for now. Will probably go this weekend to sight in. Love the scope so far. That fiber optic adjustment of the brightness seems rather touchy so i just got it back to where I liked it and plan to leave it alone.

Went with a buddy yesterday, he wants to buy a VX-R 3-9x40 fire dot. He's got vision impairments so that red dot really shows up for him. Anyway it's a nice scope but just standing in a store looking through it I could tell a major difference mainly in eye relief. This was at the top of his budget and around here that's about the cream of the crop for products kept in store that I've found.

The first couple stores the fire dot (red) didn't appear very bright and the clerks weren't much help but we finally figured out there is several different brightness settings and you have to keep pushing the button. I knew there was something to it but had never handled one till yesterday.

I'm going to try to learn the BAC method and see if I can make that work for me. I wear glasses so I don't know if that affects things or not.
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I too have the VX-R 3-9x40mm with a 30mm tube. Yes, you can keep "pushing the button" and the light will get quite bright. When the rifle is motionless, the dot will shut itself off. 

Decent scope. I'm glad I got mine.  
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

I too have the VX-R 3-9x40mm with a 30mm tube. Yes, you can keep "pushing the button" and the light will get quite bright. When the rifle is motionless, the dot will shut itself off. 

Decent scope. I'm glad I got mine.  


Ok I wondered about that also so it's good to know. It doesn't activate to motion...it deactivates to lack of motion kinda like a volt meter shuts down if inactive for a period of time.
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Originally posted by Jhunter844 Jhunter844 wrote:

Got the scope in and have mounted it, but haven't had a chance to go sight it in. Not sure I like the standard Ruger rings but will go with them for now. Will probably go this weekend to sight in. Love the scope so far. That fiber optic adjustment of the brightness seems rather touchy so i just got it back to where I liked it and plan to leave it alone.

Went with a buddy yesterday, he wants to buy a VX-R 3-9x40 fire dot. He's got vision impairments so that red dot really shows up for him. Anyway it's a nice scope but just standing in a store looking through it I could tell a major difference mainly in eye relief. This was at the top of his budget and around here that's about the cream of the crop for products kept in store that I've found.

The first couple stores the fire dot (red) didn't appear very bright and the clerks weren't much help but we finally figured out there is several different brightness settings and you have to keep pushing the button. I knew there was something to it but had never handled one till yesterday.

I'm going to try to learn the BAC method and see if I can make that work
for me. I wear glasses so I don't know if that affects things or not.


Cool scope you got. What don't you like about the Ruger rings?
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Originally posted by ckk1106 ckk1106 wrote:

Originally posted by Jhunter844 Jhunter844 wrote:

Got the scope in and have mounted it, but haven't had a chance to go sight it in. Not sure I like the standard Ruger rings but will go with them for now. Will probably go this weekend to sight in. Love the scope so far. That fiber optic adjustment of the brightness seems rather touchy so i just got it back to where I liked it and plan to leave it alone.

Went with a buddy yesterday, he wants to buy a VX-R 3-9x40 fire dot. He's got vision impairments so that red dot really shows up for him. Anyway it's a nice scope but just standing in a store looking through it I could tell a major difference mainly in eye relief. This was at the top of his budget and around here that's about the cream of the crop for products kept in store that I've found.

The first couple stores the fire dot (red) didn't appear very bright and the clerks weren't much help but we finally figured out there is several different brightness settings and you have to keep pushing the button. I knew there was something to it but had never handled one till yesterday.

I'm going to try to learn the BAC method and see if I can make that work
for me. I wear glasses so I don't know if that affects things or not.


Cool scope you got. What don't you like about the Ruger rings?


Seemed a little too tight wrapping around the scope, maybe I'm just not used to messing with this stuff.
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To update: Finally was able to sight in last weekend. Took me about 9 shots but had the last 3 shots within a 2 inch group in the target ring just outside the bullseye @ 150 yards. I figured it was me and not the gun from there on. I started out way off was drifting about 10 inches left and 6 inches high, I had a hard time getting comfortable using the gun rest I was using and finally gave up on it and shot more naturally without it. I did have to adjust both turrets slightly.

I did not attempt to shoot using the BAC method (both eyes open) but will try that one of these days...I'll have to shoot right handed in order to do it though. Figured out I'm right eye dominant over the weekend while aiming and toying with that BAC method. I write left handed, swing a bat and golf club left handed, and have always shot left handed unless I had to shoot a deer right handed instead of trying to move around too much and reposition. I do think I can make the switch to right handed shooter if I had too. My bolt-action is made for a right-handed shooter anyways....it's just a matter of breaking that habit.
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