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New member needing some advice from the resident gurus :)

 

I have decided to purchase the SIG 556 and I have spent the day researching scopes.  One I see a lot of people talking about is the Elcan SpecterDR. 

 

I think this is the one that will work with the Sig 556:

http://www.swfa.com/pc-9180-542-new-elcan-1x4x-specterdr-opt ical-sight.aspx

 

The 1x and 4x flexibility is very appealing. 

 

I was curious if there are better ones out there?

 

My stop price is 2,000, I won't spend anymore than that.

 

Thanks for the help

 

 

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Why are you wanting a scope instead of a red dot? Or what is your goal for the gun (note: singular usage)?

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Have seen an Elcan upclose?? those are big mothas-- whats wrong with an ACOG
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Originally posted by silver silver wrote:

 

 

Why are you wanting a scope instead of a red dot? Or what is your goal for the gun (note: singular usage)?

 

Immediate, I have a group of friends that shoot targets for fun at least once a month.  Targets range from 50 - 300 yards.

 

Future, if the economy got bad or crashed etc use it to protect my livestock on 100 acres.

 

4x might not be enough thats why I wanted to talk to you guys.

 

As I said earlier I like the 1x 4x switching ability.



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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

Have seen an Elcan upclose?? those are big mothas-- whats wrong with an ACOG

 

No I haven't.  I have seen pictures of the SpecterDR.

 

 

At 1x

 

 

At 4x

 

 

Mounted on a Sig 556

 

This is my first Rifle and scope so I have not heard of ACOG.

 

 

 

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Haven't shot the Elcan, but have seen and held; nice piece o' gear.  Have shot the ACOG and would buy the ACOG without a moment's hesitation.

 

 

http://www.swfa.com/pc-4334-225-trijicon-35x35-acog-rifle-sc ope.aspx

 

 

no battery illumination is a nice thing to have on a survival rifle.

And, just a thought: if you plan to protect cattle over 100 acres following the apocolypse, I'd recommned one of these rather than a .223.

 

http://www.barrettrifles.com/rifle_95.aspx

 

If I reach the point of poaching cows after we lose the war on terror, you can bet I'll be using something with more punch than a .223.  Just a thought.

 

If you see nothing and hear nothing, it's me.

 

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Originally posted by Cliff. Cliff. wrote:

Originally posted by silver silver wrote:

 

 

Why are you wanting a scope instead of a red dot? Or what is your goal for the gun (note: singular usage)?

 

Immediate, I have a group of friends that shoot targets for fun at least once a month.  Targets range from 50 - 300 yards.

 

Future, if the economy got bad or crashed etc use it to protect my livestock on 100 acres.

 

4x might not be enough thats why I wanted to talk to you guys.

 

As I said earlier I like the 1x 4x switching ability.

 

If it were me I would put my money towards a very basic night vision scope rather than the ELCAN.  If you are playing bust the can then you do not need that scope.  Bushnell has a 4200 1.5-6x for a reasonable amount too. 

 

For 2 grand, there are lot of options.  Get a basic red dot scope and host somebody like John Farnam or Randy Cain to come in for a couple of days or attend one of thier classes. Use that as a shake down cruise and then figure out what you want from there.  That will give you a chance to see other systems at work.

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The (i'm biting the left knuckle) S$B 1x4 pm is a better choice-- for the money the nightforce 1x4 is the best -- if you must with a scope. The elcan is something I would put on my Maremount.

now that we know what its for-- suppressive fire and a fortifed postion you don't even need a scope. but you do need to dump the .223-- and develop a tactical plan-- If you can control the fire and a scope can be used maybe

 

 

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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Haven't shot the Elcan, but have seen and held; nice piece o' gear.  Have shot the ACOG and would buy the ACOG without a moment's hesitation.

 

 

http://www.swfa.com/pc-4334-225-trijicon-35x35-acog-rifle-sc ope.aspx

 

 

no battery illumination is a nice thing to have on a survival rifle.

And, just a thought: if you plan to protect cattle over 100 acres following the apocolypse, I'd recommned one of these rather than a .223.

 

http://www.barrettrifles.com/rifle_95.aspx

 

If I reach the point of poaching cows after we lose the war on terror, you can bet I'll be using something with more punch than a .223.  Just a thought.

 

If you see nothing and hear nothing, it's me.

 

 

Thanks for the good point about battery illumination I didn't notice that.

 

Man that Barrett rifle is a beast .  I was looking for something more mobile.  I bet that .50 cal ammo is expensive too.

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Originally posted by silver silver wrote:

Originally posted by Cliff. Cliff. wrote:

Originally posted by silver silver wrote:

 

 

Why are you wanting a scope instead of a red dot? Or what is your goal for the gun (note: singular usage)?

 

Immediate, I have a group of friends that shoot targets for fun at least once a month.  Targets range from 50 - 300 yards.

 

Future, if the economy got bad or crashed etc use it to protect my livestock on 100 acres.

 

4x might not be enough thats why I wanted to talk to you guys.

 

As I said earlier I like the 1x 4x switching ability.

 

If it were me I would put my money towards a very basic night vision scope rather than the ELCAN.  If you are playing bust the can then you do not need that scope.  Bushnell has a 4200 1.5-6x for a reasonable amount too. 

 

For 2 grand, there are lot of options.  Get a basic red dot scope and host somebody like John Farnam or Randy Cain to come in for a couple of days or attend one of thier classes. Use that as a shake down cruise and then figure out what you want from there.  That will give you a chance to see other systems at work.

 

Very good thought about night vision.  I bet the ACOG would work well what do you think?



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Cliff,

 

I think that you should go to a class.  Play with other people stuff and see what fits you.  The thing about classes is that let you see how things would work for you.  I have tried lots of things, then desided to give them a pass.

 

I have not seen a new ACOG scope in a while. A friend has one from years back and I thought it sucked. You could see the tritium illumination, but the glass was so poor you could not see the target.  I understand that improvements have been made, but to what degree I can not imform you. 

 

Here's uncle Silvers big hint on a lot of this stuff; does it have a N-S-N?

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ACOGs optics are far from the best on the market; but are more than adequate for your uses.  I wouldn't want to engage a target at 1,000 yards with one, especially if that target were simultaneously engaging me.

 

It is a great piece of gear for an AR.  It's quick on target, self-illuminating (for about 12 years, then needs a recahrge), and has a BDC for military isue 5.56 NATO ball.

 

Night vision might be one way to go, but it wouldn't be my first choice.

 

Like they said, go to a class, play with all the stuff you can, then decide.

 

ACOG has my vote, but my vote mattters little when life and/or pride hangs in the balance.

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I bought the rifle and will continue to research the scope.  There is a gun show coming up and I will hopefully get to check some of them out there.

 

Thanks a bunch for the advice

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Originally posted by silver silver wrote:

 

 

Cliff,

 

I think that you should go to a class.  Play with other people stuff and see what fits you.  The thing about classes is that let you see how things would work for you.  I have tried lots of things, then desided to give them a pass.

 

I have not seen a new ACOG scope in a while. A friend has one from years back and I thought it sucked. You could see the tritium illumination, but the glass was so poor you could not see the target.  I understand that improvements have been made, but to what degree I can not imform you. 

 

Here's uncle Silvers big hint on a lot of this stuff; does it have a N-S-N?

 

What is N-S-N?  hehe

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Cliff,

I am standing in line for a Sig 556 - maybe see it in three to four months - so congrats on getting yours! I have two ACOG's (1 .223 & 1 .308) and an IOR
1.1-4x26mm w/CQB reticle, not to mention I am standing in line for a .308 ELCAN SpecterDR Gen II. My plan is to put the IOR on my 556 in a LaRue Tactical SPR
mount. While I like the compact size and light weight of the ACOG, it is not as flexible as a 1x4x ELCAN or 1.1-4x IOR - meaning the ACOG is good for distance
work, but isn't very useful up close.

The intermediate range of scopes is very large, seems like everyone has one in their line-up. All will work, and be a lot lighter than an ELCAN. But there is something
really cool about the ELCAN and there really isn't any need for anything between 1x and 4x or 5x.

Getting hands on experience with different setups and finding something that works for you, as Silver suggests is very good advice. Spending $1600+ on an optic
and then realizing it doesn't work for you is pretty frustrating!

Best of luck.
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Originally posted by Clonehead Clonehead wrote:

Cliff,

I am standing in line for a Sig 556 - maybe see it in three to four months - so congrats on getting yours! I have two ACOG's (1 .223 & 1 .308) and an IOR
1.1-4x26mm w/CQB reticle, not to mention I am standing in line for a .308 ELCAN SpecterDR Gen II. My plan is to put the IOR on my 556 in a LaRue Tactical SPR
mount. While I like the compact size and light weight of the ACOG, it is not as flexible as a 1x4x ELCAN or 1.1-4x IOR - meaning the ACOG is good for distance
work, but isn't very useful up close.

The intermediate range of scopes is very large, seems like everyone has one in their line-up. All will work, and be a lot lighter than an ELCAN. But there is something
really cool about the ELCAN and there really isn't any need for anything between 1x and 4x or 5x.

Getting hands on experience with different setups and finding something that works for you, as Silver suggests is very good advice. Spending $1600+ on an optic
and then realizing it doesn't work for you is pretty frustrating!

Best of luck.

 

I am in line just like you.  I ordered mine from www.budsgunshop.com for 1199.  They said they could get it in 2-3 months.  They required I send them a check so I am out the money and there is no turning back.

 

Only thing I don't like is all the people in line for one of them.  Some have been waiting for like 6 months.  I went to a Gun Show this morning and guys were selling them for 2,000 .  It was really cool to hold one though.  As soon a s I picked it up I knew it was the gun for me.  I found a really good deal on ammo so it was worth the trip.

 

Back to the scope, after a bunch of research and feedback from the guys on this board I settled on a scope.  I wanted one with good range 4x.  I needed something with night illumination without the hassle of batteries.  I needed something in case of close range.

 

I went with the TA31DOC after I found it on ebay (http://stores.ebay.com/ASO-Tactical) for 1275.

 

I got the scope the other day and I am really impressed with it.

 

I am really looking forward to the gun.  I am already researching stocks, magazines etc

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Cliff,

You should be happy with the ACOG. I have mine in a LaRue Tactical QD mount that is far better than the ARMS mount. LaRue's mount allows one to adjust how snug
the mount is when you close the locking levers - since not all rails are exactly the same dimesions. There are a lot of posts about ARMS mounts not closing all the way
on some rails.

I tried the Trijicon mount for the ACOG as well and found the LaRue mount is slightly lower, as the biggest problem with an ACOG is getting it low enough for one to
maintain a proper check weld.

Enjoy!
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Got my Sig 556 Thursday and got the ACOG dialed in this weekend at the range.

 

Here are some pictures:

http://new.photos.yahoo.com/asvfs/album/576460762399688481

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Nice rifle, Cliff!! 

Is that the Magpul stock??

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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Nice rifle, Cliff!! 

Is that the Magpul stock??

 

Yep it is a CTR Commercial version.  I bought the foldable components from riflestocks.com but I am waiting on a wrench to unscrew the tube.

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I am a new member here. Maybe I can get information from you guys. I need to get a SpecterDR 1x4x but it is sold out everywhere. And i am ready to pay for it. Does anyone knows any place i can get it?
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