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Hi guys

 

I'd be really grateful for any first hand feedback on these.

 

Is it up to the expected S&B PM2 standards?. Here in Spain it's tough to see anything "rare" so I'm off to the UK (or maybe even Germany) for a look in late summer.

 

It's alot of cash though. Shame there SS series arent available here.



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Schmidt and Bender had not shipped any to the U.S. yet.

 

I am sure they are up to the PMII standards or S&B would not release them.

 

$2899.95 for a scope  is a little out there.

 

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Ouch that is a steep price that S&B has for retail.  
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Originally posted by STWSniper STWSniper wrote:

Ouch that is a steep price that S&B has for retail.  

 

TRUE - but it's an S&B PM2. Last year I did a serious head to head of LOADS of scopes. Even against other S&B's the PM2s stand out. But untill now there was a top magnification of 16 power which I had well covered.

 

I cant get on with Swarowski, Zeiss or Leupold - and am unable to test the SS range. US.Optics become VERY expensive over here once we pay transport and import duty.

 

Nontheless I need to think long and hard about that sort of cash - I hear DIVORCE lawyers sharpening their pencils. 

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I own two S&Bs and my PMII 3-12 I bought I got for $1500 before the euro / dollar issues began three - four years ago. I have been able to play with this scope in the 16 power variant and it is awesome. Though even I am a little "gun shy" on the price of this new scope; but would love to have one if I had the proper project.

 

Just out of curiuosity what type of rifle, caliber, and setup are trying to build?

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 Sure the Schmidt B is a great scope, but, FOR THE PRICE im not impressed with the others SB tacticals................IF I CAN SPEND ALL THIS MONEY in a scope , I will choose a US OPTICS !!!!!!!!!!

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I guess if I lived in the US - well US-optics (SN3/SN9) would be higher on my list. I'd still like an SN9.

 

But after paying shipping, import and sales tax etc - A Schmidt comes out MUCH cheaper here even with all taxes paid. It helps if you've found sombody even cheaper than Chris and the guys too (they're in Germany guys - dont worry).

 

Oh yes - as an aside the rumour mill quotes MID July for next delivery in Germany - but S&B are expected to break records and should have them out by end June. 

 

 

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Just out of curiuosity what type of rifle, caliber, and setup are trying to build? (CHRIS)

 

For me I find the US Optics no better or worse than S&B Optically; in fact dont they use shot glass?

 

The only downside I see with US Optics is weight. Hence a shooter that hikes with a rifle (such as myself) shys away from them.

 

Different strokes...

 

Anyhow CHRIS sounds like whatever your setup is... it will be pretty cool. 

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Originally posted by noddah noddah wrote:

Just out of curiuosity what type of rifle, caliber, and setup are trying to build? (CHRIS). 

 

Actually I'm not yet sure. Really I just wanted a HIGHMAG Scope with 1st Focal Plane multiple reference point reticle.

 

But the 10m Parallax has me hooked as amongst the TOYS I'm building is this

 

YUP it's an AIRGUN. It uses HEAVY 177 slugs that I swage especially - and uses a polygon bored Lothar Walther barrel.

 

Looking for 0,5MOA groups at 100-150metres - we've managed that at 80metres so it's do-able. The problem has been that with STANDARD grade optics at 150m you cant see a 177 hole.

 

OK it's extreme. I thought I'd be the only guy thinking of this - but have already heard of two scopes that have gone to competition grade air gun users.

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Actually those airguns they shoot in the olympics and like yours are the most accurate rifles in the world.  Weapons that use a powder charge to shoot the projectile especially with factory ammo can have inconsistancies from round to round.  Good match ammo makers like Black Hills tries their best but little things can affect accuracy.  With airguns there is no powder, no explosion, and the air pressure on the good air rifles that drive the projectile is the same every time.  Just look at what those shooters do with .177 caliber.  I call hitting a target the size of a pencil eraser pretty freakin good if I do say so myself.
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Thanks for those words of encouragement. Here its a major uphill battle trying to get any "professional" to understand that. may seem a bit odd to talk about Tactical scopes on airguns - but the MOA adjustment factor is REALLY key above 50m, and they are little (very little) holes.

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Hey all.  Had a US Optics a few years ago, and while they are a good buncha guys and can help you build a custom scope, they have (or had, not sure if they've changed construction techniques) a couple shortcomings, like no nitrogen purge, they're expensive, and can take quite a while to get once you order.  Mine had visible particles on the lenses!  Side by side with a PM II is no comparison image-wise.  Ultimately the US Optics went back and the money went to a PM II.  There really isn't anything out there that's any better.  Cheaper maybe, but no better.  Spend the money and don't look back.

 

One thing to keep in mind when looking at the new 5-25X56 is that typically, to get an edge to edge full view, you have to up the power a bit.  So the minimum full view on the new one would be, I would estimate, at between 6.5 and seven power.  It's the same on most any higher power zoom scope, be it Leupold, US Optics, or whatever.  My 6.5-20 Leopold EFR (Hi Chris.  The EFR is on a .25 cal Theoben Crowmagnum, so I know what you mean about high end airguns!  Brutal on rabbits.) full view comes in just a bit over 8x.  I believe the US Optics guys told me that it was because the erector assembly is over-extended at the lower-power settings.  It won't be a close working scope at all, so for me the 3-12 is much more versatile. 

 

James

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Hi James - Thanks for that first hand info.

 

tbh If I had a way to get to USO - I'm sure I'd have already been speaking to them. The SN9 really did (and still does) take my breath away. Just because its' design concept is SO different.

 

But being here in Europe and also having a contact who is in close contact with S&B (like they'll be using a reticule he designed) means that just this once a scope is cheaper here than it is in the US.

 

My guess is that it will really get used from 10x up - but the means that if we set up field comp's where nippers appear with a 3-9x or something - at least I wont have a power advantage.

 

Descision taken - Hopefully by the end of July  - Means some "smithing" to fit Picatinney rails - but that's a no-brainer.

 

Ah yes - the edge to edge thing and vignetting - It also seems to be more prevalent on 1st Focal Plane reticules. The 4-16*50 HorusH2 reticuled Hakko suffers a bit (needs between 5&6 mag to lose it) but an identical 2nd FP scope I had was fine. We'll see what S&B deliver. The prototypes that my contact has seen had none.

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Chris: How much is the scope in Euros?
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Originally posted by Northman Northman wrote:

Chris: How much is the scope in Euros?

 

Official prices - I really dont know!. But about €2300 (incl taxes) I think.

 

I was put in touch with a British guy in Germany who designed the new P4 reticle and will be getting from him as he's helping me out with other adapter stuff so I can mount correctly on the GUN I'm building. He's done me a "sort of" package price so it's hard to compare. The problem as always in Europe is VAT.

 

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