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Hey guys, first post in awhile. Anyway this is my question. Ive ran across both a S&B Zenith 2.5x10x56 and a Kahles CSX 2.5 x 10x50 and cant decide between the two. both are around the same price. I know most of the top self optics are all very very close optically but my question is does one of these scopes hold an edge optically and durability wise. Is one a little better. I need an extremely low light scope and i know both will do but i wont the best. The S&B is a few hundred more but ill fork out the extra $$ if its worth it. Which would the experts recommend. Thanks  
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Have you looked through them? I prefer the reticle in the Kahles as it seems a tad heavier and in low light that is an issue. You also need to consider if you can tollerate a 56mm objective as it raises the scope a bit higher and many dont like that - however the flip side is that even at 10x you have a 5.6mm exit eye pupil which is pretty bright. Im a big fan of the Trijicon Accupoints with their illuminated reticle and while the glass is not in the same league as the ones you have mentioned it is pretty darn good and the illuminated fiber optic plus tritium makes a big difference in low light or on moving targets so I personally would buy a 2.5-10x56 Trijicon a long time before I would buy those. A lot depends on the style of hunting and distance involved too because if I was taking longer shots from a solid rest I might go with the 5-20x50 Trijicon in the mildot model.  Of the two you suggest I would go Kahles but in that kind of money I would buy Heinsoldt (tactical Zeiss) because I dial in correction for trajectory.
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

I prefer the reticle in the Kahles as it seems a tad heavier and in low light that is an issue. 


That depends on which reticle each has.  Keep in mind that the S&B is FFP and the Kahles CSX is SFP.  On low magnification, the S&B will undoubtedly have a thinner reticle, but dial up magnification and the situation changes.

However, he didn't say whether the S&B Zenith has illumination or not.  The CSX Kahles does have illumination.  Illumination always trumps reticle thickness for low light visibility, making reticle thickness comparisons irrelevant.

In general, I don't like 56mm scopes on most rifles, but I love the Zenith series scopes so this would be a tough call for me.  I can't say for certain which is more durable mechanically, but the S&B gives the impression of being more ruggedly built.  It also has a reputation for ruggedness to support that assumption.  This isn't to say the Kahles isn't rugged, though.  Regardless, if the S&B is not a Flashdot illuminated model, I would definitely get the Kahles CSX.  It has a fantastic illumination system!  In my opinion, the CSX's digital illumination system is only topped by the Swaro Z6i illumination system.
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thanks for the info. I forgot to mention both optics are used, and are a fraction of new price. Around half price to be exact. I have herd so many good reviews of Kahles scopes, but i have also read many posts about Swarovski being a superior scope. All the while i though Kahles had a little better glass except for maby z6. The high mounting is a concern as you stated. Im using the rifle for a deer. Im jsut like anyone else i just wanna get the best of the two for my hard earned money. Does Kahles have good customer service?? ive herd they have had problems in the past due to losing a disturber.   
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that would be a tough one

I love my 3-10x50 Khales
But, of concern, and moreso for an ill ret scope would be service aspects..
I would want to know if you had an issue how would it be handled on an older scope..
Is Gamo USA going to be able to fix it, if not, what is the procedure for getting it fixed by the Khales factory?

Kind of like dealing with IOR, it makes me nervous that it could take 6 months to get back
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Originally posted by jgm1981 jgm1981 wrote:

thanks for the info. I forgot to mention both optics are used, and are a fraction of new price. Around half price to be exact. I have herd so many good reviews of Kahles scopes, but i have also read many posts about Swarovski being a superior scope. All the while i though Kahles had a little better glass except for maby z6. The high mounting is a concern as you stated. Im using the rifle for a deer. Im jsut like anyone else i just wanna get the best of the two for my hard earned money. Does Kahles have good customer service?? ive herd they have had problems in the past due to losing a disturber.   


Is the Zenith a Flashdot (illuminated) version?  That would have a huge bearing on which one I would pick.  If the Zenith is not illuminated, I would go with the Kahles.

Swarovski is not superior to Kahles, except for the Z6.  Even then, the things that make Z6 superior IMO have nothing to do with image quality.

The only reservation I would have about Kahles is customer service.  They have recently changed their US distributor (again) just this year to Gamo USA, and the jury's still out on how well Gamo will handle warranty issues.  They are fine scopes, but service turnaround may take awhile if Gamo is having them shipped back to Austria if repairs are required.
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the zenith is not a flash dot. but even then its in great condition for about half of the 2600$ retail price. i own an old steiner Penetrator that probably 20 years old. The glass is unbelievable to me but hey i am a Leupold guy (former) so its not like i was spoiled with great low light performance. The problem with the steiner is it will not hold a zero anymore. I need to get the ball rolling on getting it fixed. Like you said though it will probably encompass a 2-3 month trip across the pond. See here in North Miss we just dont have alot of hunter using Euro scopes. You see a few here and there, but not common. When the Conquest came out they did convert alot of vx 3 ppl that i know and hunt with. I had posted here while back about choosing a euro scope vs a vx 7, but an unforeseeable situation came about that postponed my purchase.So i guess im just hung between the big euro brands. Just wonna spend my money wisely. Im sure im splitting hairs.      
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Even so, since you said that the S&B Zenith is "a few hundred more" than the Kahles CSX, you're interested in low light use, and the CSX has illumination, I would buy the Kahles.  
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Thanks RD.
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If you wanna see real low-light performance, take a peek through a Hensoldt 6-24x72.
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thats just a shade out of my price range bro, but thanks. I have to say im prolly gonna catch some H*ll for this but i was a a gun and knife show a few weekends back and had my first chance to look at a Trijicon scope. i was very unimpressed. Maby it just me idk. Thing was ugly if nothing else. I see them praised on a daily basis on here and thats all good Maby its just me. The glass just seemed hazy. maby it was just outta focus. I though i would just add that in.     
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