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Need advice, opinions to help me decide which to put on my Accuracy International AW .338 Lapua Mag. My choices are:
Schmidt Bender 5-25x56 Illuminated Reticle and
Schmidt Bender 12.5-50x56
The illuminated reticle is not a priority and not a factor in my decision, its only a small % more on the 5-25x so why not?
I plan on using this rig hunting and long range target shooting/ maybe competitons...(if I get good enough with it).
I would like to hear pro's and con's from people experienced with these magnification ranges and caliber (.338 Lapua)
So far I've heard that the minimum 12.5x can be a pain to get used to at first but very nice once you get used to it.
I do not consider myself an expert but when would I use 5x on the 5-25 with a .338?
How beneficial is less than 12.5x in tactical competitions? How/Why?

Thanks up front to anyone that can give experianced input
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You said you intend to use for hunting.  You will not easily hunt with a scope that only has about 11ft FOV at 100 yards at lowest power, unless you never intend to hunt at that "short" a distance.  At highest power your exit pupil will be 1.12, which will certainly not be very good in other than very bright light.  Schmidt and Bender makes great optics, but the 12.5-50 is NOT a good hunting choice.  5-25 would serve you much better, but many would argue that 5x on the low end is still too much.  .338 Lapua Mag is one of the most accurate around.  It will hunt anything you want to hunt and is considered to be good for beyond 1800 yards.  It is expensive to shoot, even if you reload, so to get "good" with it will be costly unless you practice mostly with a less expensive caliber.  
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THE LOWER POWER... 
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It is all about distances, FOV, time and mirage.
 
Should you need to shoot at a distance less then 100 yds, the 12,5 times can be a bit much. If you need to shoot at less then 50yds it is definately to much.
I would be the first one to say that the top end is never a problem. You can dial 25x,35X or 50x, whatver suits the target distance and time of day or just your plain fancy. The scope is not stuck on 12,5X or 50X.
 
So if you are only going to shoot 200 yds and further, go for the 12,5-50.
 
The next question is FOV, which goes hand in hand with time. If you have 10 min to search for your target with the narrow FOV at 50x, then go for the 50x. If not, think again.
 
Time plays a role. Will the animal stand still long enough to find it?
With target shooting... is it a timed event?
 
Mirage... on the higher settings 30X plus, mirage can become a big problem, preventing you from seeing the target.
 
So you need to answer a few questions around your hunting application and target application. (Closest distance, time etc.)
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You may wish to ask S&B about the advisability of a scope with a 56mm objective on a cartridge with the recoil of the .338 Lapua.  Usually they don't recommend any scope with an objective larger than 42mm for use with the .338 Lapua.
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Originally posted by 338LAPUASLAP 338LAPUASLAP wrote:

THE LOWER POWER... 
 
ditto
 
A tad heavier than I like in a hunting rifle.
 
I think I would put the 10x HD Super Sniper on it to start with and see how the rig works out, you may find you want a .308  Tikka with a 6x42 scope for the next hunting trip.  Personally I'd rather have the Premier or the Heinsold or a U.S. Optics but the S&B is also a quality scope and 5x is low enough to hunt with,  12x is not advisable on anything but a benchrest only gunGrenade no practical application in real life.
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I'm starting to think that there are going to be a lot of 50bmg and .338 LM rifles for sale next year real cheap we've had a lot of people ask what scope to use but it doesnt seem like they are guys who have spent a lot of time behind high power rifles and understand the recoil, the cost of ammo, & the burden of the weight of the rig in the field.
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more for those who have a burdened pocket book...
 
It's all lighter than rackin and packin.
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I have a Weatherby .340 and that is expensive enough to feed without going into the super sniper rifles.  Besides, I keep my fingers crossed that my Zeiss Diavari on the Weatherby holds up because I do not wish to buy another one.

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i shoot a poor mans Lapua, a 338/300 ultra mag. basically the same thing. mine is pretty light, 8.7 lbs. with scope, very easy to lug around and less than 36" long. big power can be put in small packages but usually they are fairly heavy guns. i agree with 12x being too much for the low end of a hunting rig. i also agree you should get a smaller cartridge ( i'd suggest a 260) to learn long range shooting and then go up in power if you "feel the need"
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Actually I agree with Dave.  IMHO even the (smaller than or similar to .338 Lapua) .340 WM or the .338/.300 RUM are cartridges for advanced shooters who can maintain the accuracy standards, rifle and recoil control required for shooting at long distances such as 1000 yards and also being able to make the most out of 10X-12X scope use for these rifles, despite shorter eye relief (i.e. 3.5 inches).  There is also the issue of cost, especially with the .338 Lapua round.

Edited by Oldtrader3 - November/10/2009 at 19:15
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I am wondering what the outcome on this was???

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