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I have a three hundred remington ultra magnum and am looking for a top of the line one inch tube scope. i have narrowed it down to these two, the S&B 2.5-10x40 summit, and the swarovski Z3 3-10x42.  I have used S&B in the past and have been very impressed. I have never used one of swarovskis rifle scopes.  Regardless of price, what would you guys go with and why?
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I'd go with the S&B. Supposedly, the 1" Swaros are best utilized on the non-magnum calibers. I have a Z-3 on a 30-06 which blasts 180 and 200 grainers without issue. But your RUM is a different beast to be sure. The glass is great on the Z3 though. Lets see what some of the pros come up with (regarding opinions). BTW, welcome to OT.
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Your rifle will generate some recoil.  I have a friend with a 300 RUM and it is something.

Why do you specify a 1" tube scope?
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I also have a friend with a 300rum, he has had a FFII mounted on his for about 3-4 years and it's still holding zero.
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Rancid Coolaid, i am looking for a scope that will be low profile on my rifle so i don't have to use high or extra high mounts.  I also wanted a lightweight scope. I recently had the S&B 2.5-10x56 and the scope is a beast, to say the least.  Yes, it is a very good scope for low light conditions, but i would rather have something a little lighter and shorter.
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Understood.

Typically, the size of the objective is what dictates how low the scope mounts, not the diameter of the scope tube.

Also, I ask about 1" tubes and max distance because, as a general rule, 1" tubes have less elevation adjustment, so you can't dial in as long a shot on a 1" tube as you can on a 30mm tube.

How big and heavy is the RUM?  My priority, given that gun and its traits, would not be small, light-weight scope. 

Which rifle do you have, make and model?  That will help.
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My brother has an older Leupold Vari-XIII 6.5-20x50 (1" tube) mounted on a m700 .300RUM and a cousin with the same scope on a m700 7mmRUM. they've been using their setups for years now with no issues. My brother has a few kills up to 400+ yards and my cousin one up to 600+ yards. I know it's not the scope your looking for but what I'm trying to say is "select a good quality scope (with 1" or 30mm tube), quality set of rings/bases, and you should be fine."
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Rancid koolaid, it is the Remington Model 700 XCR(Xtreme Conditions Rifle) for the caliber, it is roughly 7 to 7.5 pounds, farely light for the caliber.
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Originally posted by jleinum09 jleinum09 wrote:

Rancid koolaid, it is the Remington Model 700 XCR(Xtreme Conditions Rifle) for the caliber, it is roughly 7 to 7.5 pounds, farely light for the caliber.


The average weight for a m700 XCR-II in .300 RUM is 7-5/8lbs; the older XCR is the same weight.

http://www.remington.com/pages/news-and-resources/downloads/catalogs.aspx

My brother's m700 (.300 RUM) APR weights about the same as well. For most hunting conditions you should be fine.





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Bugs n Blows, do you think that the S&B has as good as glass at the Swarovski?  I like the reticles on the S&B better, from what i have seen.  Rancid Coolaid, i have also looked at the Precision Hunter series, either the 3-12X 42 or the 3-12X50. If i went with a 30mm tube this would probably be the one?  What is your opinion?
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Have you considered the Zeiss Diavari 2.5-10x42 ? It's lighter than the S&B Summit and the glass is fantastic.
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Roy Finn, i have definitely taken the Zeiss Diavari into account.  I also love the new Rapid Z reticle.  For this scope i wanted one the top three brands. S&B, Swarovski, or Zeiss. They are all so close it is only personal reference from that point. What are your opinions on the pros and cons of Zeiss? S &B?
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Personally, I think the glass is so close between the three that the other factors should be weighed more heavily such as weight, length, size of the ocular housing for bolt lift clearance and reticle choices. If you want a elevation turret down the road, you can do that with the Zeiss. Don't think you can with the Summit. The Zeiss Diavari is lighter as I stated before and it has the hydrophobic lense coatings that the S&B and Swaro don't have. The S&B maybe a fantastic scope from a great maker, but it is still a new model. When I'm dropping that kind of coin I want to be sure. As stated before, the 1 inch Swaro's have had some issues on heavy kickers and the Ultra kicks like a frickin mule.

Here's the 42mm Diavari next to a 1" Leupold 3.5-10x40.




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Agreed, the Diavari is a superb scope compared to the swarovski. I have also been looking at the 3-12 x42 precision hunter by S&B.  This and the Diavari are very close in price. How would you compare those two now the precision hunter is thrown into the mix Roy?
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That's a tough call.
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Agreed roy. The Rapid Z reticle i ama huge fan off and the glass and clarity is also superb.  The P3 reticle is also a great reticle from my perspective.  If you had to get one or the other, which one would it be for low light conditions, long range shooting durability, and clarity?
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Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

Have you considered the Zeiss Diavari 2.5-10x42 ? It's lighter than the S&B Summit and the glass is fantastic.


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Excellent Roy!


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Mike 650, i have thought of the Zeiss Diavari as well. Since now that you have thrown 30mm tubes into the mix, how do you think that would compare to the S&B 3-12X50 precision hunter??  Lets say the Zeiss Diavari 3-12x56??
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