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Well guys im going to be building up a new rifle for myself this year because as much as i love my trusty old Win Model 70 30-06 i do not want to change anything on that rifle being its a pre 64 and that it was my dads favorite rifle, and i think i deserve to treat myself. Since i seem to spend more time at the range than hunting by a long shot (excuse the pun) i've figured on building a 300wm based off a rem-clone action. Originally i was going to buy a savage 111 LRH but for aftermarket avalability of parts ive decided to go with a remmy style action. but overall im looking at a complete custom rifle, probably BigHorn action, possibly Stiller, Brux 28in heavy contour barrel, muscle brake, McMillan stock, shillen trigger and im undecided on bottom metal. going to Buy once, Cry once route.

Now ive narrowed my Optics choice down to either the Shmidt&Bender PMII 5-25 or the Premier Heritage 5-25. I also looked at nightforce with there F1 scopes but i do like the higher magnificationand they dont offer the FFP yet and also and more importantly i cannot get the NF from SWFA. I had also looked into USO but i have heard some rumor of there glass quality not being real consistant so i ruled them out as well.
 
I know both of these scopes are top notch optics and very very close if not equal in glass quality, both have plenty elevation adjustment, both with similar reticles, FFP, size, shape and weight are all really close. I have yet to hear any neg comment about the Premier but over on the hide there was some talk that the SB zero stop would actually go .4-.6 mil past the stop. Not a big deal but for 3K in glass i would think it would be perfect. there was some speculation that SB might do this so you can dial down a bit more if your shooting conditions change dramatically but it was just an idea. i dont belive anybody contacted SB to ask.  
 
Right now the only advantage i can see to the SB is its offered with the fine reticle, and i think i would like that at the higher mag. Does that make it worth the couple hundred bucks more? I know SB has a great reputation as well as Premier but i am just stuck as to what scope I want resting ontop of my rifle. Realisticly i think i just need someone to tell me what to buy. I doubt id be dissapointed with either scope but it would be nice to hear from one of you guys that has delt with one or both of the scopes.
 
ILya I imagine youve handled both of these scopes and Rancid if im not mistaken you have a Premier 3-15. It yould be great to hear from you guys, and like i said anyone that has delt , seen, or hell even smelled either one of these scopes speak up. All the personal expeirience info i can get would and will be better than any brocure or webpage can give me
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I was able to use a S&B PM2 5-25, for a year, and I can say without a doubt it is the best optic I have ever used hands down. 
Mine had Holland's ART Reticle in it.  I used it for a 1K match and in a roving field course (ranges from 300-800 yards).
Never used the other optic in question, so I can't comment.
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If you're going to look at S&Bs I'd really consider the new 3-20 model. The extra 5X on the high end of a 5-25 doesn't buy you much on what is clearly not a varmint rifle. By that I mean if you are taking shots out to 1000 yards anything over 15X is plenty adequate. But having 3X on the low end gives you ~1 2/3 the FOV of 5X.

My Premier 3-15X's zero-stop also bottoms out .7 mil past zero. But that's really not an issue IMO. I can't speak for any S&B model, but you know it when you go back to zero on a Premier since it uses USO's MTC (multi-tactile clicks) system. You bottom out and then just dial back to zero (or for that matter, count any number of "bigger" clicks to move whole mils at a time. What's nice about zero-stop on any scope - no matter how it's implemented - is that you can't get lost turning the turret. Premier has a really well-conceived and engineered design.

As for reticles, I'd stick with a thicker style actually. At lower magnification you'll appreciate it. If your targets are larger than 6" it won't matter at high magnification.

I'd recommend dropping your magnification requirements and consider a PH 3-15X. It's a great scope with a more usable magnification range. I also wouldn't discount USO. I've only looked through 3 of their scopes but the glass was more than good enough. Solid engineering, custom features and some good magnification ranges also count for a lot. The Premier, of course, has glass on par with the best. Only a Hensoldt would really interest me more, if money were no object.
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S197,
What uses will your scope be used for?
Big game hunting only?
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The rifle will mostly be used for paper punching and popping 2L bottles and milk jugs. With the occasional elk hunt, anything smaller id use the model 70. Ive only been able to shoot at 840yds at the most right now at my buddies ranch. Id like to be able to get this rifle out to 1200yds, all in due time tho. Also the scope might be set ontop of my BMG every once and a while and maybe even my savage MKII trainer just for fun. Almost all my hunting was done with the old, i mean old but trusty redfield 4x so as far as feild of veiw goes i dont think the difference would be that much between the 4x32mm vs 5x56mm. On top of that im the unlucky type when it comes to hunting, so the odds of something walking up close to me is a number nasa would have a hard time comprehending:1
 
The zero stop thing isnt a big deal like i said before, it will just be nice to not have a zero stop at all. dialing up a few clicks isnt going to kill me.
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It is fun playing at 1200 yardsBig Grin

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The PH doesn't tunnel like the SB, personally I don't like the location of the illumination knob on the SB. SB is introducing a new 3x20 this fall -- you may want to wait.
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At $2,000, the Premier was a great deal; at $3,000, it stacks up well with S&B.

As Dale said, the PH has no tunnel effect at low mag (something that bugs me terribly) and the glass is comparable if not slightly better.

If it is between just those 2, I'd get the Premier.

I too would consider less magnification, I'm a huge fan of the 3-15 range - and i don't really care to watch my pulse in my reticle.


Hensoldt has a very nice site picture, glass is a little better; if the budget is unlimited and best glass is the objective, (having used/owned all the scopes mentioned thus far), get the Hensoldt. 

Yea, it is that good!
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Originally posted by Ernie Bishop Ernie Bishop wrote:

It is fun playing at 1200 yardsBig Grin



I must be doing it wrong, I really don't enjoy 1,000+ all that much - unless conditions are near-ideal.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Originally posted by Ernie Bishop Ernie Bishop wrote:

It is fun playing at 1200 yardsBig Grin



I must be doing it wrong, I really don't enjoy 1,000+ all that much - unless conditions are near-ideal.


I wouldn't assume that you are doing it wrong or that I am doing it right.
About ten days ago I shot two days back to back out to 1200 yards, and had an absolute grand time.
If I am able to spot my shots or someone else can, I am learning.
Plus, I like the challenge.
My shooting set-up is a different than most, but again, it is what I enjoy.
Optics like that S&B, make the shooting that much more enjoyable-wish I still had it.
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I was thinking the same thing about the illumination knob on the SB,  I like the integrated knob on the PH better, not as cluttered. Thanks for the heads up on the tunneling with the SB i wasnt aware they did this. The 3-20 is intriguing tho, but i think id have to hear some first hand experience with it first. I had looked at going with a lower power like a 3-15 or a 4-16 range but really only for the wider selection of scopes with the features im looking for. I dont have a big deal with my pulse bouncing the reticle at high power, I mean its going to move the same at 5x and 25x just much easier to see at the higher power. The Hensoldt is from everything ive heard top of the scope food chain but its more than i want to spend especially for a lower power range with the FFP NH1 reticle. But im not ruling it out just yet
 
Im thinking that i'll most likely end up going with the Premier with the gen II XR reticle and mil turrets of course, like i had said before i really dont think i would be dissapointed with either scope it just seems to be better for me overall, not to mention it puts another $200 in my pocket for powder and bullets. Thats a win-win in my book, thanks again guys for all the infoBig Grin
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The Premier is a great choice.  As others have mentioned, if FOV on low power is important the Premier has a significant advantage. 

FYI, it's zero stop also stops a few clicks below zero but it's really not an issue--especially with MTC turrets. 

I like not having the illumination knob taking up tube space greatly, although I liked the actual operation of the illumination better on the S&B.

The finish is nicer on the S&B.

But for the most part the two are very comparable.  Another difference that might sway you one way or the other is reticle choice since S&B no longer comes with the Gen II/IIXR if you like those the best.

I'd say at the old lower prices the Premier was the no-brainer choice.  Now it's just a good choice.  Of course the S&B is never a Bad choice either.
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Originally posted by Jon A Jon A wrote:

The finish is nicer on the S&B.


They call that their "Kinderkeister" finish...smooth as a baby's bottom and recycled from overspray recovered from the Maybach factory floor.
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Well guys thanks again for all the info and personal choice info it has helped me out a whole lot. OT is defiantly the "go to" for any optic questions. I have learned more from this site than any other place to date. Not to mention all the very knowledgeable people here who are willing to answer your questions. I also stumbled on a post over on the hide where there was a head to head comparison between a solid list of quality optics. Hensoldt, Premier, SB, USO ect. They’re comments about the PH combined with yours as really set it in stone for me. Especially about the large turrets, something I think my gorilla fingers would like. Here is the link if you guys want to check it out

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1224033&page=3

 

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