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Hi all,

So I am not a gun newbie, but I am rifle scope newbie. I have always used irons and tactical sights.  Most of my experience with guns is with small arms and tactical shooting in the military. I shoot a lot of handguns and tactical rifle competitions but have no hunting rifle experience. All that said, I recently bought a Savage Model 116 long action 30-06 rifle.  I bought a Burris FF II 3-9-40mm scope along with Burris Standard Medium 1" rings #420052 and Burris Trumount Universal 2 Piece Base #41028 (purchased from SWFA and delivered this week).

So today was my big day and I picked up my new rifle. I came home to mount my scope and naturally I was very excited and all gun-ho to get it done. That was until I realized that after I installed the bases and rings (finger tight) the scope barely fit in the rings.  The problem was there was just barely enough 1" tube to seat down into the scope rings. I was basically maxed out.  I thought OK I can live with this as long as the eye relief looks good. So I started slowly tightening the rings in a star pattern while carefully ensuring that the vertical and horizontal Plex stayed level. 

Something made me stop and think that I should try to change the amplification from 9x down to 3x to make sure it can rotate and clear the base. Well sure enough I could rotate from 9x down to 6x then the little retaining screw catches on the base mount and stops. 

So now I realize this was the wrong setup, but now I am having a hard time finding the right setup. I can not find any other Burris Rings and Bases that say  they fit the Savage 116.  (I also realized I bought the flat rear Base when I should have bought the rounded rear base, also of which I found none for the 116)  

So I ultimately need to find a base that allows me to mount my rings a little closer together whiles simultaneously allowing the Burris to clear the base.  I am hoping to contact SWFA tomorrow and see if I can return the Base and Rings I bought and get the correct ones. Before I do that I am hoping someone can give me some input into what rings and bases I may need.  I am thinking I am going to need a one piece base and Hi rings but not exactly sure what brand etc..  Any input will be greatly appreciated.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: June/16/2011 at 20:39
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   First off,WELCOME to OT!!
                         I found this while searching for a solution to your problem:
  "I just got a new Leupold VX-3 4.5-14x40mm scope for my Savage 116 Accutrigger. I previously had a 5-20 Nikon Monarch scope on it, with Talley Ultralight Ringbases. I really like the Talleys, but the Leupold scope has a shorter center section (ocular to objective bell) than the Monarch and it won't fit in the Talleys. It seems the Savage 116 long action has a wider mount spacing than most.

So, I was wondering if any of you use the same or similar Leupold scope (4-12 or 4.5-14, maybe even 3-9 power) and what ring/base combination you have found best. I would prefer to stick with two-piece bases, just to keep the action wide open, but if a 1 piece base is needed or is better, let me know!

I guess I could also add that I already have a set of Burris Signature Zee rings. I'm not dead set on using them, but if I can find a base that fits them (Weaver style...will Picatinny fit too?) that could save me some coin."


Problem Solved!

I stopped by my favorite little sporting goods shop on the way home yesterday and they happened to have a set a Talley Ultralight *Extended* ringbases. I didn't know they made them, but they closed the gap and the scope fits perfectly now! Oh, I believe they are Medium height, which seems to fit the scope pretty well. If you had a very thin barrel contour you might be able to get away with Low Talley ringmounts, especially on a short action. My wife's ultralight .308 has the low Talley mounts and has about 1/8" gap between the scope (VX-II 4-12x40mm)bell and the barrel."

      According to my Leupold catalog his VX-3 has a max ring mounting space of 5.8".  Your Burris has a max spacing of 5.9".
      Here is what he used:
       Talley lows are higher than other manufacturers lows and I believe the lows might work for you.
       I'd double check this info with SWFA since your going to be contacting them anyway.
      Let us know how you make out.
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Savage actions are quite long, have you considered a front extension ring.
My advise would be to ask for CFII or Brady when you call tomorrow, they are both very friendly and knowledgeable.
By the way welcome to the O.T.

Edited by lucytuma - June/16/2011 at 20:41
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   First thing is return the flat base for a round one.
 Second any base for a Savage long action will fit. The 110 model is the same as the 111,112,114,116,only difference is SS or blue or flat black. Same is true with short action model 10 fits all.
 The flat base is for pre accu=trigger models and the round is for accu-trigger models,but there are some exceptions to this because some box stores place big orders with some changes in features to sell cheaply as specials,but newer ones will still be rounded receivers.
 Personaly I use the EGW one piece base for almost all of my Savages so that scope length will not matter and proper eye releif can be acheived.The right bases are availible at SWFA.
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Welcome to the OT llbradfam

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Weaver makes their Grand Slam steel bases in an extended front.  It will get you plenty of room.  I have one I'm not using that I could send you, but then you'd still have to get the round base for the rear.

Your other option, if you want to save weight, is to go Millet and get their extended front setup.  These are Leupold style bases and rings though.  I have a set, and they are a few ounces lighter than the Weaver Grand Slam base/ring combo I also have.

I would call SWFA and see if they'll take the bases back, and order the Weaver Grand Slam setup with the extended front.  Your rings will probably work just fine that way.

Edit:  Are your current bases already Leupold style?  If so, then you could just order the Millett extended front base set and stick with your current rings...

Edited by jason miller - June/17/2011 at 16:00
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