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samurai swords  - who here is our resident expert or knows how to tell the junk from the quality swords, prices seem to range from $50 to $5000. how do you know what you are getting or what to look for?
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see if you get a real samurai with it Big%20Smile

Hell, I don't know nothing about swords, but it would be cool to get one and learn how to use it.
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Give Koshkin a shout, Wes.
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 take the pin in the "handle" out take a picture of the markings, post it so the "markings as readable, also a close up of the guard (tsuba) and the blade and any other photos if possible.
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Samauri sword story, since I inherited a pair.
The long sword  is the Katana, the shorter blade, used for indoor dombat is the Wakizashi.
 
My dad passed away in 1980.  After a respectible time, mom started dating, and married a wonderful gentleman from Idaho, who happened to be a Japanese American, born in Japan, and naturalized here.  This did not prevent him and his  family from being interrred in one of the camps, and he escaped by enlisting in the Army. 
 Later, after his death we learned through reading his journals that he was OSS and did some rather interesting things.
 
As part of his culture he would frequently write to his childhood friends still living in Japan, and his dream was to return and see the mother country and his chums. 
The part of his dream we did not know is that he, like many children of the Emperor, fancied himself Samuari, much like we all played the part of Roy Rogers as children.
 
When he retuned to Japan, he had completly researched the samauri sword, and what it would take to obtain one, or the set.  It can, or at least could be done, but was very expensive. 
The weapons are made in temple, as the originals, according to ceremony, and it's a 1 shot deal.  If an error was made, everything is scrapped and started anew.
The blades could not be sharpened on the island, Mas told me that was due to the phobic terror the government had about the samauri and the tools of their trade ( sound familiar?)
so the blades had to be transported to a temple in Hawaii  for sharpening and to complete the ceremony.
To say the blades are balanced and scalpel sharp does not do these justice.
After he died, I was willed these, and mom wanted to have them displayed on the mantle in her home. 
 Moms home was broken into, and the swords stolen.  She was not home, and thus unharmed.
The blades were recovered intact but bloody.  Police followed the blood trail across the street to a neighbors home.  Seems he had seen the blades and run one of his digits across the blade, very lightly he said.
Doctors were not able to attach the severed thumb.
I left the blood stain on the blade.
 
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Great story Mike!!

The History Channel had a really good show awhile back on the Japanese Master Swordsmiths who build these swords. It involved the tradition, reasons behind the designs, what was involved in building and polishing these tools, etc. It was very impressive.
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Yeah really, great story Mike! Any signs of corrosion on the blood stained blade, Mike?

I saw the same show on the History Channel and was GLUED to the screen, Mike650. Thunbs%20Up
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My Dad who passed away last year left my brother a samuri sword.   I'm just trying to figure out what you get for what money and I'm not sure I know enough not to get ripped off.

 


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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

My Dad who passed away last year left my brother a samuri sword. Supposedly there was a story that went along with this sword that every time it had been drawn it must draw blood.  He also told me of another sword that a friend of his had bought while they were in Japan in the late 50s  that was adorned with gold and jeweled and was very old - I never got to see that one but I'm sure it would be considered a national treasure. Both of them were O.S.I.   (counter intel spooks).  Anyway I had always hoped that I might get the real thing but since that wont happen I have been considering purchasing a sword however there is quite a price range and I'm not sure how to tell how good one really is. There have been some at the gun shows here in the 600 to 1600 range ( dont know they are worth that as I see some adds for less than a hundred) and I see some made by Cold Steel which I would think should be fairly good in the $400 range.  I'm just trying to figure out what you get for what money and I'm not sure I know enough not to get ripped off.



Be careful before paying high dollars for one. Speaking to a couple of my instructors, I'm being told there's are a lot of over priced and/or counterfeits circulating around.

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anything from cold steel is worth every penny spent for it. If the offer is still open for there free dvd grab it. I own a few cold steel items.

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How much are you willing to spend? There are any number of high quality swords that are atleast as good as the originals, and then there are several that are even better. Here's a very good one.
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original swords are like double rifles they have a story-which is usually "worth" more than the sword. while there are many modern swords, and in a lot ways better, to practice the art of cutting or Ia-do, a real samuri will have a pedigree , if you go thru a dealer he will have the details of the sword, type of temper, era, curvature etc. and markings from the hilt the bottom sword was given to the relative of the man in the article (wife) and include this in honor of today. http://homeofheroes.com/footnotes/2007/01January2-wermuth.html
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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

original swords are like double rifles they have a story-which is usually "worth" more than the sword. while there are many modern swords, and in a lot ways better, to practice the art of cutting or Ia-do, a real samuri will have a pedigree , if you go thru a dealer he will have the details of the sword, type of temper, era, curvature etc. and markings from the hilt the bottom sword was given to the relative of the man in the article (wife) and include this in honor of today. http://homeofheroes.com/footnotes/2007/01January2-wermuth.html



Agreed. With an authentic antique one you should be able to trace it back to the actual Master Swordsmith in Japan. Some are hundreds of years old and the history behind the sword and being able to track it is just as valuable.

We had a two day demo a few years ago with a swordsmith / Kendo instructor, who was taught back in Japan. He wasn't a master swordsmith but it appeared he knew a lot and was able to build and repair. We were shown that every part of the sword has meaning making it extremely interesting. One thing he brought up several times was do your research before purchasing one. There are plenty of what he called knockoffs, etc. out there on the internet and at shows. It was important, at least to him, to own one of these antique ones.

One thing to think about too is what type you want. Without getting into too much detail, there are different sizes and styles (with specific names) that are used for specific purposes. Some are short, long and one I saw had a very long handle and short blade in comparison. This one was used for striking horses legs and bringing down it's riders.

I guess it just depends on what you want and are willing to pay.
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A true samurai sword has to go thru the ceremony and code of conduct. If one step is missed or botched up the sword is trashed and back to the drawing board. Ironically there was something on the history channel last night about this.

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Originally posted by Bigdaddy0381 Bigdaddy0381 wrote:

 

A true samurai sword has to go thru the ceremony and code of conduct. If one step is missed or botched up the sword is trashed and back to the drawing board. Ironically there was something on the history channel last night about this.



If it was the same HC episode I saw a few months ago, I thought they did a really job. Thunbs%20Up
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They did a good job but lacked detail to how. I talked to a sword smith a few years ago and it was very interesting as to what and how it is made to be true like the originals. It takes him almost one year to build/make one. He talked about going out and getting the stone powders to make the metals and how it is made from that point on. Very interesting! I’ll try to dig up his numbers and stuff for you guys. Now remember he is a man of very few words and might have inhaled a few to much rock dust... I meet him at a renaissance festival and thought he was full of crap until he took me back to his display shop. Hr proved himself to me with what I have studied and knew.

  

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Originally posted by Bigdaddy0381 Bigdaddy0381 wrote:

They did a good job but lacked detail to how. I talked to a sword smith a few years ago and it was very interesting as to what and how it is made to be true like the originals. It takes him almost one year to build/make one. He talked about going out and getting the stone powders to make the metals and how it is made from that point on. Very interesting! I’ll try to dig up his numbers and stuff for you guys. Now remember he is a man of very few words and might have inhaled a few to much rock dust... I meet him at a renaissance festival and thought he was full of crap until he took me back to his display shop. Hr proved himself to me with what I have studied and knew.

  



Good stuff, BD!! Not sure if it was the episode but even so no way could HC cover much in great detail within an hour or two. There's so many pieces, from the history, tradition, the different components and making of each one, polishing (sharpening), handling, art and fighting techniques. 


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Originally posted by Bigdaddy0381 Bigdaddy0381 wrote:

anything from cold steel is worth every penny spent for it. If the offer is still open for there free dvd grab it. I own a few cold steel items.



Cold Steel makes some decent stuff, but I am not Cold Steel's biggest fan, to put it mildly.  Too much BS.

For just about any practically useful item, I can think of something better than Cold Steel for similar money.

As for samurai swords, I think Mark referred to me earlier in this thread, but I do not know all that much about them.  I am not a swordsman and my martial arts experience is not with Japanese martial arts for the most part.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by Bigdaddy0381 Bigdaddy0381 wrote:

anything from cold steel is worth every penny spent for it. If the offer is still open for there free dvd grab it. I own a few cold steel items.



Cold Steel makes some decent stuff, but I am not Cold Steel's biggest fan, to put it mildly.  Too much BS.

For just about any practically useful item, I can think of something better than Cold Steel for similar money.

As for samurai swords, I think Mark referred to me earlier in this thread, but I do not know all that much about them.  I am not a swordsman and my martial arts experience is not with Japanese martial arts for the most part.

ILya
 

ILya,

Will you enlighten us please?

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I'd rather have the Light Saber also but we peons cant all be Jedi.
 
I'm more interested in a practical battle ready weapon.  Karate
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Have you ever practiced fencing or swordsmanship of any type?  If not, then I would not experiment with  katana.  To use it properly you need to know what you are doing.  Besides, if you are looking for a weapon, would that be against humans or animals? is it just a back-up weapon for when your firearm is not available?

Anyhow, unless you actually know what you are doing as far as swordsmanship goes, look at at phillipine-style bladed weapons for something a bit more versatile and easy to use.  Something like the Pinuti from Kris cutlery or their Espada y Daga set:
http://kriscutlery.com/documents/philippine.html

I have a Pinuti that has served me well for a number of years, and it can be used for brush clearing as well as just about any machete.

Some other recommendations as far as blades go:

Fehrman Knives are extremely well made and CPM 3V steel they use is extraordinarily durable (stay away from recurved blades, they are hard to sharpen in field conditions):
http://www.fehrmanknives.com/knives.htm  Shadow Scout is my favourite design out of their line.  That is a VERY fast knife.

Jerry Hossom's knives are an incredible combination of speed and strength, but VERY expensive.  A couple of his designs are also made by Spyderco, but those have recurve blades which I do not like.

Nepalese Khukhuri knives despite their odd shape are incredibly efficient choppers with excellent versatilty.  Sirupati from Himalayan Imports is probably the best combination of tool and weapon (with a little more emphasis on weapon).  If you only plan to get one, get a 18" model.  Anothe verstaily Khukhiru design is Gelbu Special.  There are a few Khukhiri makers/importers out there.  The only one I would deal with is Himalayan Imports.

For something fairly inexpensive, but very well made (and leaning a bit more toward the tool part of the equation) look at Ranger Knives.  Very strdu and affordable knives (and a great guy making them).  I like cord-wrapped handles, but I usually wrap them in a different way, so I just re-wrap them the way I like.

Another inexpensive, but versatile knife is Kershaw Outcast.  I still do not like its recurve blade shape, but mine has held up well and is surprisingly comfortable to use.

If you want more options, I can dig through my notes from some knife testing I have done a while back.  Also, I only talked abut fixed blade knives here.  If you want some information on folders, I can dig that up as well.

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for every kuboto there is a counter, for the sword there is the manrikigusari (weighted chain) and sai,-- sai technique will translate to escrima sticks, and short staff, easier to carry doesn't weight much, or raise eyebrows.
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