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I am not a firearms expert by no means.   Just an average Joe who wants to buy a new gun for hunting.  The only hunting rifle I own now is a Winchester Model 70 .270 (Pre 64). I love the gun but want to treat myself to a new gun with more range for out of California hunting.  I was in a shop today and asked the guy behind the counter what his top three rifle recommendations would be.  His response was, "Sako, Sako, Sako!"   He said it is the best shooting gun out of the box bar none!  I examined the gun and personally found that the black composite stock looked plastic and kinda cheap.   What can you guys tell me?
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The Sako 85 Hunter Laminated Stainless is awesome. Silky smooth action. 
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Sako has a well earned reputation for accuracy. Most factory synthetic stocks are cheaply made. Not sure which Sako you were looking at as there are several models out there including the Tikka. Not going to say the counter person was wrong, but he might be a touch too enthusiastic though.


PS. Are you looking for a light weight stainless synthetic with more power than the 270?

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I'm not a big Sako fan, but I don't have a good reason other than they tend to be a little more pricey than what I like to spend.  For a bolt action, my first choice is the Rem. 700 and then maybe a Savage.  For a semi, my ONLY choice is a Browning BAR!  I also perfer wood vs any synthetic.
 
As you mentioned in your other thread, you'll looking at maybe getting a 300 Win Mag.  I would love to have one of those or even the 7mm Mag in a BAR.  But if you are set on a bolt, the Sako would be fine as would the Remmy or Tikka or even an A-Bolt or Kimber, but I would want it with a wood stock!  As a member mentioned on the other thread, I would go with a lesser expensive rifle and get a better scope.... like a Kahles C or a Zeiss Diavari or a Swaro Z6!
 
As I mentioned in your other thread, I just got my kid a 700 CDL with a Zeiss Conquest 3-9X40 and I was able to get them for a little under $1000.00.   I paid $649.00 for the rifle (new) and like $286 for the scope (this included a price match and some coupons) I don't think you'll be able to get those prices, but I could be wrong.   If you aren't opposed to getting a used rifle and a used scope from the Samplelist here, you should be able to stay within your budget and have a sweet set-up!
 
As a side note, can you own a BAR in Cal?
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BAR all the way.  Best hunting rifle ever made.
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Sako, Sako, Sako
 
There are so much to choose from. If you can lay your hands on a Heym you would also be buyinga super accurate rifle.
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if he is use to using an m70 he should get kimber 8400, the sako 85 is damn nice too though
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Sakos are terrific.  There ARE other guns in the world, though..Bucky,  but Sako is a goody!  I, too, like wood .....unless I was planning to really beat it up....and be out in the real wet stuff.

If I was going to go shopping for a "new" rifle I would definitely have a Sako on the gun store's counter, pointing it at the ceiling! I also love to shop the used gun racks and gun shows.  Bandito

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      After using a pre-64 for so long you may find that getting a new rifle that meets your expectations could be chore,but fun.  Gee,sure wish I had that problem!
 
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One reason why the SAKOs are rather costly now, is the strength of the Euro vs Dollar.
 
If you can wait a bit, before buying your new rifle, you can perhaps consider on of these 3 rifles due out soon:
 
 
 
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Check out Dakota and Empire, and the Sako will be just fine.
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Originally posted by silver silver wrote:

Check out Dakota and Empire, and the Sako will be just fine.


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Originally posted by tomp tomp wrote:

I am not a firearms expert by no means.   Just an average Joe who wants to buy a new gun for hunting.  The only hunting rifle I own now is a Winchester Model 70 .270 (Pre 64). I love the gun but want to treat myself to a new gun with more range for out of California hunting.  I was in a shop today and asked the guy behind the counter what his top three rifle recommendations would be.  His response was, "Sako, Sako, Sako!"   He said it is the best shooting gun out of the box bar none!  I examined the gun and personally found that the black composite stock looked plastic and kinda cheap.   What can you guys tell me?
................................Since you be out here in the wonderful "BLUE" (whacko) state of Calif. like me, I`d go with the 7mm Mag, a 300 WSM or the 300 Win Mag. for some extra range. Although the 270 Winny, is a very good longer range round.
 
The guy behind the counter was obviously just a tad biased toward the Sako? Sakos though, are very good and very accurate rifles.
 
Take a good look at the Browning X Bolts as well! Their composites imo, don`t look cheap. You can go to the Browning site and get some real good enlargements of their rifles and play their audio/videos. Though I prefer the shorter barreled compacts, the handling and the feel of the X-Bolts, to me was excellent.
 
If your first preference is composite/synthetic and the Sako`s stock did not appeal to you, take a good look at the Brownings. Always stick with your first impressions, as in most cases they are usually correct.   
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Originally posted by Big Squeeze Big Squeeze wrote:

 
If your first preference is composite/synthetic and the Sako`s stock did not appeal to you, take a good look at the Brownings. Always stick with your first impressions, as in most cases they are usually correct.   


Good call Squeeze.  Nothing is worse than buying a new rifle and then when you start using it finding out how bad that cheapo stock really is.  It just ruins the whole experience. 
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You can always drop extra dough and get an Alaskan Ti in 7mm. Yippee Excellent H-S stock, fluted barrel and bolt making it very light weight. 7mm here in Cali is a great choice, at least where we hunt.




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Originally posted by silver silver wrote:


Check out Dakota and Empire, and the Sako will be just fine.


Or an Echols Legend.
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Originally posted by Big Squeeze Big Squeeze wrote:

 
If your first preference is composite/synthetic and the Sako`s stock did not appeal to you, take a good look at the Brownings. Always stick with your first impressions, as in most cases they are usually correct.   


Good call Squeeze.  Nothing is worse than buying a new rifle and then when you start using it finding out how bad that cheapo stock really is.  It just ruins the whole experience. 
.............Yep! First impressions with anything are critical.....As an example! So far, I`ve had two 450 Marlin BLR`s ordered for me and the stocks with both,,,sucked! No personality in the wood grain with a very bland lighter mapley color. I much prefer the deeper brown burl wood richer type grain.......I`ll do without a BLR then until I find one that appeals to me. 
 
If I`m going to buy a rifle, I`m also going to have to do what else?? LOOK at it too!! Kinda like a woman. If you`re not attracted to her, then don`t go there!! Same way with rifle stocks!
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Originally posted by tomp tomp wrote:

 I was in a shop today and asked the guy behind the counter what his top three rifle recommendations would be.  His response was, "Sako, Sako, Sako!"   He said it is the best shooting gun out of the box bar none!  I examined the gun and personally found that the black composite stock looked plastic and kinda cheap.   What can you guys tell me?
 
Sakos are nice, well-made rifles with very smooth bolt operation and some neat features.  I would not, however, say they are the "best shooting guns out of the box, bar none."  The person you talked to was either exaggerating or he doesn't know what he's talking about.  I own 4 Sako rifles, and of those, 2 are extremely accurate and the other 2 shoot fair at best.  One of them isn't very accurate at all.  I've talked with a bunch of people who own Sakos, and beyond the ones I own, I've shot a fair number of them.  In my experience, they are on average no more or less accurate than a typical Remington M700.  They are just more expensive to make and have some unique features.  In almost every case, the Savage rifles I have trigger time behind would shoot circles around all but one Sako I've ever shot.
 
Please don't take my comments as a slam against Sako, because I love Sako rifles.  But when it comes to factory rifles, retail price usually has no correlation with accuracy.  One exception is Cooper rifles, where you do usually get better accuracy for their higher price tag, but Coopers are really classified as "semi-custom" rifles, not true mass-produced factory rifles. 
 
I say "usually" because when it comes to factory rifles, accuracy is a crap shoot.  Name any factory rifle, and there will always be individual samples out there that are tack drivers and others that are complete lemons.
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Thanks everybody for your help and input.  Now I have the not so simply task of deciding what to do with all your info.   
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If you are looking for a nicer synthetic stock on a factory rifle, look at the Kimber Montana 8400.
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Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

If you are looking for a nicer synthetic stock on a factory rifle, look at the Kimber Montana 8400.
good stuff roy i agree
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Some friends and I have purchased several SAKO in the last couple of years and they all shoot great.  0.5" groups at 100 yards.  We recently increased are range to 300 yards and have only shot the 300 win mag and shot a 1" 3 shot group at 300 yards. 


You won't be disapointed with the SAKO 75 or 85!
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Generally Sako rifles are of great quality.. or were, actually. After the fusion with beretta the overall quality has gone down pretty much. Older sakos, pre-90's are generally considered to be one of the best rifles out of the box one could get. Also, most parts of the sako and tikka come from the same factory, barrels are pretty much the same. For older sakos the ½MOA accuracy was pretty default, but for now it can vary a bit.

I own a tikka T3 varmint s/s lefty that doesn't do so well with factory ammo I've tested. I've been trying to learn secrets of handloading and am getting closer and closer to the ½MOA. As far as remington 700's go, they are not so greatly acclaimed here. I've heard horror stories about remington warranties where they seem to think that 2MOA is "acceptable" for a varmint rifle... the 700 seems to be in same league as ruger 10/22, great rifle if you change everything else than receiver ;)

For me, as a lefty shooter the tikka was natural choice because I could get the lefty action without any additional cost, also the trigger and action are very good for a factory rifle.

Strange thing though, why finnish products cost 50% less in U.S. than in here.. T3 varmint MSRP is around $1600 and for sako 85 varmint almost $3000 with current rates. Same thing with vihtavuori powder :(
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Interesting thread there heikkiv (from Funland on your location!!)
I have bought the Remington varmint and the verdict is still out on it. (Also left hand). I stuggled a bit with it, but seems that my reloading dies was not good enough. With new dies I shot a killer group with one particular load. It remains to be seen if I can repeat it, as I only had 5 rounds of this load.
I also wondered if Tikka would not have been a better choice then the Remington.
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