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As I've mentioned before I'm in the market for a 338 Win Mag. I want a 338 for all around large/big game, moose, elk, Alaska brown bear, etc. While looking at gunbroker this caught my fancy http://www.berettausa.com/products/sako-85-kodiak/?F_PropertyId=6&F_LookupId=137 I like that it has a stiff or bull barrel but I'm concerned that at 21 1/4" I will loose too much velocity. Think I should keep shopping for a longer barrel?
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That is a really nice rifle.  You are looking at losing 100 to 150 FPS versus the 24 in barrel.  Each barrel is different, some are "faster" than others.

That bit of speed wouldn't matter that much to me, especially on a .338 Winny. 
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I too have been seriously considering it. First though, I'm looking at a FinnLight in 6.5X 55 Swede. I do love the Sako's. Excellent
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I first noticed it while watching Larry Csonka hunting Alaska Kodiak bears on TV, wasn't sure what rifle and caliber it was but I said to myself, what is that rifle. I did a little research and discovered it was a Sako Kodak.

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They are really nice rifles!  I personally really like the stock design, and I think the black and grey laminated wood looks fantastic with the matte stainless metalwork.  It's one good-looking rifle to my eyes!  I've handled them in stores several times and have been really tempted to buy one on more than one occasion.  I still haven't totally dismissed that possibility.

I wouldn't be the least bit concerned about the 21.25" barrel length.  Even with the 125 or so fps velocity loss, .338 Win is still very potent, and it will make the rifle just a little bit handier.  The heavier taper at the shorter length makes the tube nice and stiff.
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Ted,
How does this rifle balance with the short tube?
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I thought it balanced quite well.  What it lacks in length, it makes up for in weight.
 
Then again, I haven't handled it outside of stores, so I don't have the benefit of lots of time spent in the field with it.
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Thanks Ted, when I think of this rifle it reminds me of the short 45 70 Marlin SBL, short, handy and packing a lot of punch but with more range.
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 I found this posted by gunsmith Charlie Sisk.  He had data for other cartridges but since we're talking .338 Win Mag.....
 
 
 " For a long time I have wondered about how barrel length
affected velocity. I had always been told you need a certain
length barrel for certain calibers. I have read when folks
compared one gun to another with different lengths but I
always thought that was not an apples to apples comparision.
So I did a few test myself.
All these were Shilen barrels. I used the same brass through
out the whole test. All weighed to with 1 grain. Bullets
were tested on the Juenke machine. Powder charges were
weighed to .1 grain. The same rest, chronograph, Redding
press, primers all from the same lot, bullets for the same
box, same lathe, same crowning tool, same cutoff tool, and
each rifle done from start to finish on the same day.
Ambient temperature was the same because I shoot from inside
the shop. I held the rifle the same way on the rest every
time. I shot ten rounds first to break in the barrel. Then
cleaned with Sweets and fired one fouling shot. Then shot
five rounds and took the average. I used a midrange load
fron the Nosler book, not too hot but certainly not a
reduced load. Here is what I got."
 
   338 Win mag
Winchester brass
Federal GM215M primers
Reloder 19....73 grains
250 grain Partitions
27 inches.....2806 fps
26 inches.....2787 fps
25 inches.....2761 fps
24 inches.....2743 fps
23 inches.....2716 fps
22 inches.....2697 fps
21 inches.....2676 fps
20 inches.....2656 fps
150 fps from 27 inches to 21 inches
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I lost almost exactly 100 fps with my favorite load out of a 300 wsm after I had the barrel lopped off 2" and crowned.  The truth was the trajectory changed very little.

You would really have to shoot the beretta to see what velocity it gives.  I had an 20 inch barreled Savage 270 wsm that shot factory loads right at their 24" barrel velocities listed on the box.
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Thanks guys for the information. BTW, does the Sako 85 series have that stupid integral locking system?
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Originally posted by SamC SamC wrote:

does the Sako 85 series have that stupid integral locking system?


No
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Thanks Ted, BTW, I read on this forum somewhere that Sako recoil pads are a bit hard and are glued and pinned. Is it a big job to change it out for a Decelerator or other pad?
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The pad (yes, it's hard) on my Sako 75 WAS glued and pinned...a total PIA. It is likely the same on the 85's. You have to be persistent and patient. I did it so anybody can! 
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