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Originally posted by Bender Bender wrote:

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I have a same problem- can't decide between 75 and 85 Sako Hunter in .30-06,but after reading this I'm leaning towards 75 - I want to reload and brass hitting the scope would be bent.
 
The extractor / ejector relationship is the exact same geometry on the 75 vs the 85 -- looking at the front of the bolt face, the extractor is at 10:00; the ejector is at 6:00, so the ejection angle would be the same in both.  The reason why the specific Sako 85 mentioned above was having ejection issues is because it was chambered in a WSM cartridge.  The short fat cases combined with larger extractor engagement with the rim and low ejector position creates a very high ejection angle and tendency to hit the scope.  I've heard of no reported problems with ejecting standard cartridges.  The only difference in the bolt face between the 75 and 85 is the 85 has the lower portion of the bolt face enclosure milled away so the case head will slide underneath the extractor as it rises from the magazine -- the CRF feature.  To each his own, but if we're talking wood stocks, I much prefer the 85 stock design, with its thinner grip section, more open grip, straight comb, shadowline cheekpiece, and slimmer profile vs. the 75 stock.  I hate the 85's synthetic stock, though -- rather strange looking to me.
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I prefer a straight stock design too.  But one with some size in the buttstock.  Compare a Sako 85 buttstock to the re-introduced (2008) Supergrade.  The fuller buttstock for me goes into the same position in a hurry much faster than a slim one like the Sako 85.  Which one would handle a magnum round better?  I'll stay with standard rounds with my 85's.  I do agree the 85's synthetic stock is wierd.
 
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I'll go to the store and check out which stock suits me more!
I'm planning on using Leupold QR mounts on the gun because I already have the rings on on the scope(VXIII 3,5-10x50 with illumination),and I want to be able to take them off quickly for the brush hunting. Anybody used these mounts on a sako? I see that Leu is producing ringmounts that go directly on the reciever,but it seems to me that they don't have a stud that stops them from moving forward?
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Originally posted by Bender Bender wrote:

I see that Leu is producing ringmounts that go directly on the reciever,but it seems to me that they don't have a stud that stops them from moving forward?
 
The taper built into the receiver groove (wider toward the front) prevents forward movement.
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I've got the QR base/ring set-up on mine.  The rear base will overhang the loading port by about 1/8".   You can use Medium height QR rings with a 50mm objective if your scope is long enough or the eyepiece isn't too big in diameter - the focus ring on my Leupold sits over the rear base and just clears it by less than a millimeter.  The front objective bell sits about a millimeter above the barrel.  The other scopes I tried required High QR's. 
 
Talley bases fit a lot better (don't overhang) but the rings position the scope much higher, size for size, comared to the Leupold QR's.  Plus the rings are challenging (to install) to say the least.  But they look better/stronger.  I'd have probably used them if they weren't so high.
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Thanks timber!
That helped a lot!
I'll probably go the QR route-3mm overhang doesn't seem too bad and they are more avalible to me since my friend is a Leupold dealer.
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Hey Bender.  I just realized you are wanting to use the exact same scope I have on my Sako 85 30/06, a leupold 3.5-10x50 with illuminated reticle.  The only way mine would fit with Medium QR's and have the objective clear the barrel was to position it almost all the way forward. It'll look like it won't work but the focus ring will just barely clear the rear base.  If you want a 50mm lowrider set-up for this rifle this is it!
 
If you don't get a full sight picture and have to pull the scope rearward you'll need to go with High QR's to get the objective high enough to clear the barrel.  If this scope is your first Leupold Illuminated, double check to make sure you turn it 'off' when you're through using it.  I've left mine on several times and over night the battery will become depleted.
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I guess we have the same taste for firearms thanBig%20Smile!
I already have the High QR rings,but I can easily check out the mediums and exchange if needed!
I haven't had the time to compare my new Leupy with other higher end scopes in the dark-how are you satisfied with yours? I noticed that illumination on the scope is great-it is even better in some segments than Swaro's!

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I like mine.  I'm sure it's not on the Swaro Z6 level but it takes me past legal shooting hours where I hunt (30 minutes past Sunset or 30 minutes before Sunrise).  You mentioned hunting in the dark so I assume you're talking about Night Hunting.  Unfortunately I can't speak to that.  I'm aware Night Hunting (mostly hogs) is common in Europe and illuminated scopes are used for this. 
 
Mine originally came with a German #4 Illuminated Dot but I had Leupold change it to the Illuminated Duplex and I like it much better.  As to the illumination settings what I do is turn it on around Sunset and then check it every 5 minutes or so for correct brightness.  The last 10 minutes or so it usually (depending on the weather - clouds for instance vs. a clear sky) ends up turned down to around 3 or 4.  In the mornings I start at 3 or 4 and work my way up in brightness.  This scope does not have a day-illumination setting like the Z6 and others - I've tried it and can't see it.
 
The main reason I went with this scope was for hog hunting.  Probably 3/4's of the hogs we see are black in color and I've had trouble seeing the reticles against their hides, particularly in low light.  This has made a huge difference and has upped my success ratio.  I prefer not to use it for other game just for the challenge. 
 
As to the Medium vs. High QR's there is something else you may want to consider.  I have small to medium sized hands and can fairly easily load through the ejection/loading port (instead of dropping the magazine). If you have larger hands you may prefer the high rings for the extra room.  The difference in height is only .13" but I'm anal about low mounted scopes and just like the look.  PM me if you have any technical questions so as not to bore other readers.  Good luck hunting!  
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Here's the pictures Bender of my Sako 85 Hunter in 30/06.  The second picture is the illuminated duplex Leupold I use for those Black Hogs.
 
 
 
Here's one showing the Sako 85's buttstock (right - with a 'Kick-Ezz' recoil pad) compared to a 700 CDL's buttstock (left).  It's thinner and smaller than the 700 and is why, IMHO, I'd stay away from magnums with this stock.  JMO. 
 
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I own a Sako Model 85 rifle in .338 Federal.  I picked the Model 85 because I did not like the synthetic stock on the Model 75 and preferred wood instead (Hunter Model).  I wanted the cheekpiece, low comb stock on the Model 85.  The Sako is also about 1/2 pound lighter and shorter than my other .30-06 length action rifles for woods hunting.  Also, I bought mine for woods hunting here in Washington at a time when the .338 Federal was being discontinued by Sako and I got a heck of a deal on price.
I have owned my Sako for about 4 years now and shoot perhaps 120 rounds or so a year through it.  It is the fourth Sako rifle that I have owned in the past 50 years, including a Mato Beretta .30-06 which is a Sako action as well.  All of these rifles, when set up to correct specs for action screw torque are very accurate.  My .338 Federal will easily shoot MOA groups with the Kahles 3-9x42 scope that I have mounted on it.  The scope has never shifted from recoil even with 225 grain Nosler loads and Leupold Ringmounts.  The rifle has never hiccuped since I bought it and shoots quite well with no issues through 500 rounds.
 
My Model 85 magazine feed is very smooth with the .338 Federal cartridge.  The only problems that I have heard about with feed in the new Sako's were for the short fat's.  The trigger on my rifle is set up at 3 pounds, no creep and recoil is the same as my .30-06 Model 70 despite being a little lighter.
 
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Hi, Oldtrader!  Haven't seen you around much lately.  Welcome back!

I have the exact same rifle, also in .338 Fed (I didn't own it yet back in '07 when I last posted in this thread).  Mine handles and shoots great!  I bought mine for the same reasons as you -- liked the stock design, previous good experiences with the M75, and got a good deal on it due to the chambering.  Also, the fact mine has drop dead gorgeous wood, with lots of fiddleback didn't hurt its chances of going home with me either.

I also have 2 Beretta Matos as you mentioned, and have been very happy with them.  One point of correction, though... the Mato used a Dakota M 97 action, not a Sako action.  Sako had nothing to do with the Mato rifles, as it was discontinued just as Beretta assumed ownership of Sako, due to the fact it competed at the same general price point as the Sako 75 & 85.
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