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Is there a difference between the two other than scope mounting?  Is the trigger reach different on these two revolvers? 

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I can't tell a difference in the trigger reach. I've been lucky with mine and the triggers were pretty good out of the box. They have slicked up nicely with age.
The Super Redhawk is definitely bigger and stronger. The Redhawk is already more than capable of handling the stoutest of loads, though. I do prefer the scope mounting over the top strap of the Super and if scoping was a priority I would take that model.
 
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Doug is correct, in that the super red hawk was developed to accomidate the larger .454C & their own 480 ruger, while incorporating their legendary scope mounting system.  It is by design larger , stronger & heavier than the already excellent red hawk.

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Doug is right on, but I prefer the looks of the regular Redhawk, including the grips.  I have one in a 44 mag. and a 5.5 inch barrel, blued.  I have a Taurus Tracker in a 44 magnum that is ported, with a 4 inch barrel and the Redhawk has less recoil.  The Super Redhawk with the barrel shroud just looks funny, like somebody took a snub nose revolver and shoved another barrel into it.  But, thats a matter of taste.
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Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

but I prefer the looks of the regular Redhawk, including the grips.  ....... The Super Redhawk with the barrel shroud just looks funny, like somebody took a snub nose revolver and shoved another barrel into it.  But, thats a matter of taste.
 
Definitely true for me, also
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while the length is about the same there is substantial difference in the grip. cowboy grips will tend to roll upwards on recoil and in doing with clip or hit the second knuckle with heavy loads, the super has a straighter grip angle and tends to mangle the web area in the thumb more. the spring set in the hammer is different also. cowboy types have heavy hammers and very long hammer falls, (longer lock time), the super is much shorter and faster which is conducive to better accuracy. The scope mts. on the cowboy types are further forward which puts the eyepiece about the same location as the hammer, making for a more compact unit. while the super usually has the eyepiece sticking out behind the hammer depending on the scope.

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Thanks, gentlemen.

I am not looking to mount a scope on this one.  I was just thinking of getting a 44Mag with a 4" barrel or so.  I noticed that with some revolvers I struggle to reach the trigger in DA mode, hence the question.  I'll have to go find a store where I can look at both.  I was also looking at used S&W Mountain Gun, if I can get my hands on one.  Does the S&W have about the same trigger reach?

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N frame smiths are smaller and make a better carry package. however recoil is stiff
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My N frame and Redhawk are too close to differentiate in trigger reach. The Smith's are very nice and svelte. The Ruger is a beast.
If you are carrying a lot and shooting a little the 4" Smith is sweet. If you want to shoot and carry a lot, I would get the Ruger. They are tough!
The Smith from the factory has a nicer single action pull, the Ruger is better double action.
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I have read and seen that alot of the new Smiths have poor quality control.  Have you guys seen that?  That is primarily with wheel guns.
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I wish I could help with the Smith's, D. I'm a five screw nut! They are all like butter!
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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

I wish I could help with the Smith's, D. I'm a five screw nut! They are all like butter!


"Five screw" nut?  What is that referring to?

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Older Smith and Wesson revolvers had five frame screws. They eventually had four and then went to the present three screw. The five screw guns are very desirable.
I can't comment on the newer Smith and Wesson revolvers. They have a lot of new models and some material changes. In a .44 Mag stainless gun I can't believe you would be making a mistake.
The Ruger is a great gun and can take a beating. The Smith's handle better and aren't as tough.
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Thanks for the explanation.

I thin kit is going to come down to a choice between Redhawk and S&W Mountain Gun, both with 4" barrels.  I'll see which one provides for a more comfortable grip and trigger reach and go with that.  As for toughness/recoil, I expect to practice primarily with 44Special, so I do not think I'll fire thousands of full power 44Mag loads, although it will get fired with some 44Mag loads.

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i think the dark lord needs a .480 or a .500smithTank
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Have I ever made an impression of being masochistic?  I have fired 500S&W exactly once and felt that it was one time to many.

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i figured the dark lord was like elmer keith, never ever be outgunned and never ever be undergunned
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The .500 Smith is not bad in that chunk of steel it comes in. My Freedom Arms 83 in .454 Casull is obnoxious.
If you are concerned about carry the Mountain gun is suweeeet! You might find an older 4" 629 with the same barrel taper a bit cheaper. Very nice.
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freedom arms was on the other side of the mountains from where i lived in wyoming, neat little town

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the ruger alaskan in a 454 ouch!!
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I have the greatest respect for Elmer Keith.  However, I am a firm believer into a completely different way of never being outgunned:

One round of 338Lapua or similar with a nice scope fired from a few hundred yards away, so that the target never knows what hit 'em.

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thats the spirit!
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there is nothing civil about full mag 44 loads in 4" guns, they are ugly, the 500 is not even as bad as the gun is 2 times as heavy. for comparison shoot 357 mag in a titanium smith about the same. the real utility in 4" backpack smiths are 300 gr LBT hard cast at 1000 fps, very managable. low muzzle blast and second shot repeatablilty.
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I've shot lightweight smiths (scandium frame? or something along those lines) with full power loads and the recoil was sharp and painful.  However, that one shot from a short barrel 500 seemed worse.

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Take a look at the Taurus line up.  They are well built revolvers and handle very nicely and are quite a bit cheaper than the Rugers or Smiths.  No, they do not carry the cache of the others, but thats not the real point, unless it is important to you.  The ones that I have tried have an excellent single trigger action, while the DA triggers vary from model to model.  Going over each pistol I have seen, the seams are tight with each showing no major flaws.  My daughter wanted a Taurus 38 special for x-mas and I thought, I am not going to do that and got her a Ruger GP 101 in a 357 mag. with a 4 inch barrel so she can shoot 38 specials and I do not have to buy her another revolver when she wants to move up to a 357.  Great pistol and more expensive that the Taurus, but now that I have purchased the Taurus, read some reviews on www.gun-tests.com and looked at alot of their other revolvers, they are good gun and especially good for the price.  In 1996, the Brazilian people in an overwhelming victory, voted down a George Soros funded campaign to ban all weapons in Brazil, to include the manufacture of any.  This is in a country where there are few gun owners.  I kind of liked supporting them, prefer to buy American, but I did not mind that I supported a country that beat down that ass George Soros.
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