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I've been reading up on these 2 revolvers and both seem to be neck and neck with one another as the cream of the crop when it comes to 4-6" wheel guns. I'm starting to familiarize myself with the ins and outs as i've shot plenty of revolvers but never owned one to this point.

I'm hearing a lot of people complaining that the newer S&W's have slipped slightly and of course you hear many people bitching about the lock compared to the Ruger which doesn't have one. Plus there is a rough $150 difference in price, with the 686 costing more. Seems like the S&W still has the trigger to beat and prettier looks (won't argue either of those) but Ruger gets high marks for durability and grips/feel.

I'd appreciate insight on these two models from people who have owned them or shot them extensively (Dale, im sure you have my friend as it seems like you've owned just about every revolver ever made Big Grin) I'm really targeting something in the 357mag boat right now....errr down the road when i have the cash....

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I can't speak for th S&W but as far as the GP100 goes I loved the grip it was tactile and firm. The weight was heavy which I liked when shooting full power loads. It shot well and is a great backpacking gun which is what I had it for. All I can say is it was solid and shot well. No complaints.
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I had both of those in 4" and liked the Ruger much better. it just "felt" better, carried better and just plain shot better. of course, that is just my opinion and it may well be different for you. the best thing to do is handle them both and see which feels best to you.
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Thanks gents.....when i go to pick up my Xdm this week i'm going to hopefully have one of each to try  out at the local shop. They have a big selection and it wouldn't surprise me if they had both in stock being as popular as those 2 are.


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The smoothest trigger action in the world is the python. The fastest trigger (in a gun that has the balance is in the K and L frames). Before the advent of the 586 series guys would take the colt barrel and put them on 19's and they were called Smolts. If your going to do a lot of DA shooting the 586 certainly would be at the top. Also when speed loaders were hot, a smith could be done in about 6 sec. (shot to shot) it is really hard to do a Ruger in this time. Its almost impossible to "stack" a ruger in DA. As I said before it is sad that so much as been forgotten about revolvers.
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As always, thanks for the insight Dale.

I learned very quickly in the military to not be afraid to ask questions. I am simply weakest when it comes to revolvers when comparing other types of firearms.

Is S&W indeed phasing out the internal locks Dale? Not sure if you would know for sure. Many of revolver enthusiasts are "pre-lock" guys through and through. Not that i think it makes a big difference.


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Back in the days when Bangor Punta and Thompson machine owned smith, as soon as you bought the gun you would box it up and send it in for warranty. Things like mis-aligned barres, bad timing,  were the biggest issue. And this was on every gun! Current owners are at least trying to change the revolver to offer the consumer something. My biggest complaint is the use of mim parts in alot of the smiths of current manufacture. What locks, mine disappeared within 5 mins, of new purchase and I don't know where they went. I prefer the older smiths with the case harding in the hammer and trigger and am not really interested in alot of their new stuff.
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Good info Dale.My favorite S&W in .357 is my carry,a 640 air snub!
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I have a 686 that came with Hogue grips.  I really like it a lot and it shoots good.  I don't own a GP100 but I have shot them and I'd take one of them too.  It will come down to personnel preference.  With my experence, the 686 has the better factory trigger of the two. 
 
Pythons...they have a slick action but they have really climbed in price.  Of course, they never were cheap. 
 
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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

Back in the days when Bangor Punta and Thompson machine owned smith, as soon as you bought the gun you would box it up and send it in for warranty. Things like mis-aligned barres, bad timing,  were the biggest issue. And this was on every gun! Current owners are at least trying to change the revolver to offer the consumer something. My biggest complaint is the use of mim parts in alot of the smiths of current manufacture. What locks, mine disappeared within 5 mins, of new purchase and I don't know where they went. I prefer the older smiths with the case harding in the hammer and trigger and am not really interested in alot of their new stuff.


And that's the biggest hangup i've read about the newer batches of revolvers Smith is putting out there. A pretty big majority say Ruger is the more durable gun in terms of overall build at the present time and takes hotter/more powerful loads. Again, i wouldn't personally make judgments until i handled and shot each one extensively, but i've heard a lot of knowledgeable people touch on the MIM issue.


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FWIW, my Ruger is the SP101 in. .357 Mag. It's solid, well built and shoots great. Cost-wise is was cheaper than the Smith's I looked at. Whats not to like? Smile
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Hotter loads no --- when compared accross the same calibers. I don't know where those rumours started. The forcing cone goes with about the same number of shots in a 44 629 as a redhawk. It doesn't matter if the cylinder/action timing lasts longer in a ruger because its not satisfacory in the first placde. If you compare guns with the same thickness of forcing cones the answer as an even bigger no. If you compare the mod. 27/28 thickness with a ruger 101 its a biggest no. But a mod. 19 is a yes.   fYou cannot shoot 460 loads in a 454 casuall redhawk. Ruger doesn't make a 500.
Just a moment for a digression-- stacking is a term used in PPC shooting   when using DA the shooter can shoot as accurately as when shooting SA.  It involves stopping the trigger pull at the very last for a realignment of the shot. Then the final pull without disturbing the sight picture. This requires a timing in the gun that gives it a very special feel about where you are in the shot sequence. Usually the hammer is also cut down reducing the hammer wt, for faster lock time. My smiths are timed so that one can literally jerk the trigger and the pawl will through the cyclinder into lock with the hammers about 3/4 of the way back, this allows all of the force from the trigger finger to feel the hammer back for the release. EAch and every time. Try that with a ruger action.
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I'm heading over the shop tomorrow morning after i get up to see what they have in stock revolver wise. 
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Your on a gun buying frenzy so to speakBig Grin
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Got to get them in while i can! Kids will put a very large dent in the funding of firearms Big Grin 
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If you are going to be shooting DA extensively, get a Smith. I cannot get my Rugers to stack up, as smooth as they are.
They are both well built and balance nicely. The Ruger is a bit beefier, but remember, the S&W is forged and the Ruger is cast. Castings will be a bit bigger for equal strength of a forging.


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Originally posted by shooter07 shooter07 wrote:

Got to get them in while i can! Kids will put a very large dent in the funding of firearms Big Grin 


Wait til your wife wants you to sell your guns to buy new cabinets for the kitchen.  Loco
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Originally posted by shooter07 shooter07 wrote:

Got to get them in while i can! Kids will put a very large dent in the funding of firearms Big Grin 


Wait til your wife wants you to sell your guns to buy new cabinets for the kitchen.  Loco

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Oh it ain't so, thats just what she wants

By the way, my vote is the 686.  My dad has the 7 shot 6" model, it is a very nice revolver. 


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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Oh it ain't so, thats just what she wants

By the way, my vote is the 686.  My dad has the 7 shot 6" model, it is a very nice revolver. 

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The Dan Wesson i have has by far the nices DA trigger pull of any revolver i have ever shot, don't take that to much cause i haven't shot as many as some others but,  if you can find a used one you'd be happy with it I bet.

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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Originally posted by shooter07 shooter07 wrote:

Got to get them in while i can! Kids will put a very large dent in the funding of firearms Big Grin 


Wait til your wife wants you to sell your guns to buy new cabinets for the kitchen.  Loco


Won't happen.....sacrifice more guns for a cabinet is one thing, but she is well aware that my hobbies will not go. Money is one thing! Big Grin
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I have some reasonable mileage with both Ruger and S&W revolvers, but not as much as others here.  Honestly, it seems like a lot simply comes down to personal preference here.  At the moment, I do not own any Ruger revolvers, but I do own two S&W ones  (L-frame and J-frame).  However, I can honestly say that is mostly due to a simple fact that I know a local gunsmith that is exceptionally good at working on S&W triggers.
That having been said, I am thinking of getting snubbie, so the new plastic revolvers got my attention.  I think I'll pick up Rugers LCR-357 some time next year (if they bring them to PRK).  LCR has the nicest snubbie trigger I have tried to date.

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